2022-05 REX Call
00:05:31 Kelly Murray: I'm so happy to see you all, and so sorry I only have 30 minutes!
00:06:12 Jamais Cascio: Every minute is welcome, K!
00:06:28 bomcfarland: Great to see you Kelly
00:09:48 Kelly Murray: Sun in your panels?
00:12:58 Jerry Michalski: Rel8
00:13:08 Micah Sifry: Sense8
00:15:34 Jerry Michalski: Knowledge-Centered Support (KCS)
00:16:07 Kevin Clark: Systems for Knowledge netWorkers
00:16:10 Jerry Michalski: https://www.serviceinnovation.org/
00:18:03 Micah Sifry: i love the garden metaphors…filing in my "mycelial organizing" box
00:18:26 Kevin Clark: Micah, +1
00:18:43 Jerry Michalski: negative proof 🙂
00:18:57 Jerry Michalski: repeat yourself until others start repeating you
00:19:07 Jerry Michalski: you can't overcommunicate
00:19:30 Jerry Michalski: knowledge-sharing or knowledge-seeking
00:19:48 Jerry Michalski: collective inquiry
00:20:05 Kevin Clark: speaking... vs. … listening org'
00:20:08 Jerry Michalski: + great resignation
00:20:27 Jerry Michalski: autonomy, mastery and purpose
00:21:31 Jerry Michalski: why is there no facepalm Zoom filter?
00:22:04 Jamais Cascio: 🤦♂️
00:22:15 Jerry Michalski: oooooh
00:22:25 Jerry Michalski: you have expanded my vocab
00:22:28 Jamais Cascio: Too tiny though
00:22:31 Jerry Michalski: yes, def
00:22:47 Kevin Clark: Working on "The Griff" cultural observatory system with Grant McCracken (cultural anthropologist)
00:23:02 Jerry Michalski: Grant's groovy; cool!
00:24:12 Susan Stucky: Do you have a glossary?
00:25:05 Jerry Michalski: Grapevine
00:25:49 Jamais Cascio: Huh... that sounds familiar. I think I had encountered that waaaaay back in the day.
00:26:26 Kevin Clark: Won an award for "Designing from the Inside Out" paper last year at AHFE. Glad to share if interested... related to this discussion
00:26:35 Jerry Michalski: https://bra.in/4j9L6x for grapeVINE, plus: "grapeVINE Technologies Ltd. was formed in 1986 to develop the intellectual property originating from Dr. Cyril Brookes’ research at the University of New South Wales, Australia, into innovative forms of internal communication for corporations. In the subsequent 10 years this work has been extended, prototyped and commercialized. US Patent No. 5,428,778 was issued to Dr. Cyril Brookes and assigned to the Company in 1995. It covers the key elements of the technology for selective dissemination of information."
00:27:44 Jerry Michalski: shareable, vs shared
00:28:28 Jerry Michalski: shared as in formally agreed on, signed up for
00:29:13 Kelly Murray: “shared" has some imposition on it
00:31:24 Jerry Michalski: Jordan Louviere?
00:33:05 Jerry Michalski: the original point-and-grunt interface
00:33:46 Jamais Cascio: Among many reasons
00:34:00 Jerry Michalski: then you drive your fist through the TV...
00:34:37 Susan Stucky: Informed opinion: it will work when someone has to use it to get work/something done.
00:34:50 Jerry Michalski: there are phone-booth-sized telepresence things that do 3D now
00:35:02 Jerry Michalski: flow state essential
00:35:52 Susan Stucky: Also.
00:37:27 Jerry Michalski: flow state NE vomiting, right?
00:37:45 Jerry Michalski: AR, Augmented Reality
00:38:02 Jamais Cascio: MR, Mixed Reality
00:40:08 Jerry Michalski: trust!
00:40:13 Jamais Cascio: For good reason!
00:40:37 Jerry Michalski: wait... the NCA doesn't have a clip on my computer's bus?
00:40:39 Jerry Michalski: NSA
00:41:03 Jerry Michalski: zero trust
00:41:55 Susan Stucky: sounds like another defund the police
00:44:31 Jerry Michalski: MR for fashion
00:45:16 Micah Sifry: how does this connect to the "reality-based community” (famous quote attributed to Karl Rove)
00:45:19 Micah Sifry: The aide said that guys like me were “in what we call the reality-based community,” which he defined as people who “believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality.” I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. “That’s not the way the world really works anymore,” he continued. “We’re an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you’re studying that reality — judiciously, as you will — we’ll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that’s how things will sort out. We’re history’s actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.”
00:45:38 Micah Sifry: fire based clothes sounds very hunger games
00:47:23 Jerry Michalski: fire based clothes for virtual only? or if the outfit is an outward-facing display?
00:48:30 Micah Sifry: meanwhile: https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/02/01/582370715/wrist-watching-amazon-patents-system-to-track-guide-employees-hands
00:50:02 Jerry Michalski: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Chronicles_of_Riddick
00:51:15 Jerry Michalski: help me design the Betterverse: https://www.thebetterverse.org/
00:52:17 Jamais Cascio: Like the ending to History of the World, Part I
00:55:25 Micah Sifry: facemash, actually
00:55:34 Jerry Michalski: yes
00:56:41 Jamais Cascio: Monetization of the Amygdala allows Weaponization of the Amygdala
01:00:03 Jamais Cascio: And how do you define “used for good”?
01:00:47 Jerry Michalski: whose good?
01:01:23 Jerry Michalski: my take on human history: people with power and access wrestling over the joystick in the cockpit
01:01:39 Kevin Clark: "what is good" is the start of any philosophy class... and is inherently difficult to answer without context...
01:02:16 Kevin Clark: ...and in phenomenology is unanswerable...
01:03:22 Jerry Michalski: by not dying of a blood infection, i can be alive in our handmaid's tale future
01:04:13 Jerry Michalski: germ theory of disease
01:04:24 Jamais Cascio: Don’t deliver babies immediately after doing an autopsy without washing your hands.
01:07:57 Jamais Cascio: Or I can cherry-pick out-of-context quotes to turn people against you.
01:11:54 Jamais Cascio: “I reject your reality and assert my own!” — Adam Savage
01:12:13 Jerry Michalski: Mission: Impossible?
01:12:25 Jamais Cascio: But who has the time?!?!!?
01:13:02 Jerry Michalski: I wish your articles, notes and thinking were more publicly available in this way, Jamais. Don't you?
01:15:17 Jerry Michalski: how we respond
01:17:29 Jamais Cascio: You can’t reason someone out of a position that they didn’t reason themselves into.
01:17:51 bomcfarland: Jamais, again you nail it
01:19:52 Jamais Cascio: “Iron-Manning” an argument, however, is blowing it up while making quips.
01:22:58 Jamais Cascio: …and that kills?
01:24:41 Jamais Cascio: The Dilettante Party?
01:25:17 Micah Sifry: In Malka Older's book Infomocracy, "centenals" (city-states of 100,000 ppl) all have their own core identity the Philip Morris party, the Hemp party, etc
01:32:20 Jerry Michalski: https://youtu.be/gf3vp0Wquz8
01:32:23 Jerry Michalski: my trust keynote
01:32:37 Jerry Michalski: https://bra.in/9pR3zx my notes from today's call
01:32:45 Jerry Michalski: which I'm syncing now
01:33:21 Jerry Michalski: https://ssir.org/articles/entry/the_secret_of_scale#
01:34:25 Jerry Michalski: Unified
01:34:56 Jerry Michalski: Unified in opposition?
01:35:26 Micah Sifry: joinunified.us
01:35:31 Micah Sifry: joinunified.io
01:36:39 Jerry Michalski: Post-Doom
01:37:36 Jerry Michalski: Umair Haque