2012 Wired Interview VINGE Vernor Singularity Scenarios
<p>Mar 22, 2012 07:19 PM
 
1)  Classic AI:  BIG MACHINE  hope u can figure out a way to make it smart 
OR  INTERNET PLUS all the people on the internet...
 
all the server farms, billions of humans...  come together to form one superhuman entity...
(NO... not enuf... I say)
 
2)  IA = Intelligence Amplification
 
David Brin calls it:  NeoNeocortex...
we get to participate...   (NO,  still humans... forget it)
 
3)  Bioscience enhances human intel... enhances memory or clarity  (NO:  too slow, too limited - still human)
 
4)  DIGITAL GAIA     ...<b>  all the networked embedded microprocessors.</b>..
<b>reality itself wakes up... an implementation of animism</b>...  (sorry Vernor... that's still not it)
 
Karl Schroeder  great book  his novel VENTUS...  pub Nov 2001 !!! note date.
he also likes Stross  Accelerando  strong  endorsement.
 
Bob note:  the real path (extended, machine consc. is not here!)
 
He also really likes Nassim Taleb's  The Black Swan...  limitations of and seduction by models.
 
LIfe Extension:
The complaint or the criticism here is that the<b> human mind has a certain level of ability to handle different sorts of complexity, and if you believe that you could go 100,000 years and not be turned into a repeating tape loop</b>, well, then let’s talk about longer period of time. How about a billion years .... (forget it,  humans are limited...
tinkering won't help)
 
Are you the same person... when you're super, super smart  (NO);
 
<b>if you did grow intellectually, would you be the same person</b>? 
Well, most of us would argue that <b>we are pretty much the same person as far back as we can remember.</b> You know, we have changes in viewpoint, but what you were when you were five and what you are now, there is certainly a community of self-interest there, and it probably doesn’t bother most people too much. 
They feel good about what they know now, and they feel sympathetic to what they were then.
Now,<b> compare yourself to the zygote that became you.</b> It’s a little bit more of an empathetic stretch necessary there. I’m sure that I understand my zygote as well as it ever understood itself, but<b> I bet you that it doesn’t understand me very well.</b> In fact, the amount of it that’s still in me is at a very low level, even in terms of the genes. There’s what’s happened in terms of<b> epigenetic things since that zygote began to grow. Push that further, and the little part of this story that actually is you becomes more and more diluted</b>. So if you really are serious about talking about living forever, not just living for a thousand years or a hundred thousand years, if you’re really serious about that, you come face to face with the same general issues that the Singularity raises, and that is issues of identity and mind.
 
ZONES OF THOUGHT:  faster than light travel is not possible  and/or  superhuman intel is not poss.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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