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But it's come to a point where, you know, if we don't push back, if we don't demand a change of course, then we are
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surrendering our children to slavery, basically. And I don't I don't think I'm even exaggerating. That's that's really
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what it is. Well, guys, you just heard a taste there of my fascinating conversation with Alex Craner. And Alex,
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it's great to see you again. maybe give a quick introduction and it'll probably indicate how you seem to be correct on
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nearly everything in geopolitics and macroeconomics which is quite stunning.
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Well, uh thank you. Thank you Ivor. Great to join you again. uh I think maybe are a little bit too kind but I
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think that you know if you if you take a very broad study of history you know to
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try to understand the the context of everything that's going on then the you
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know the dots connect nicely and it's you know rather rather than this
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blizzard of SCOP you can maybe pay better attention to what's relevant
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what's not relevant what's what's real what's uh um a SCOP or or you know
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induced psychosis and and then it becomes a little bit more easy to to
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predict what what might happen next. Yeah.
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Yeah. Yeah. You know, I was you know I'm I'm hesitating to say because I'm going to certainly butcher it, but there's a
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an American historian who who has a great quote. uh I forget his name now
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but basically he says that when we study history it's very important not to just look at events and statistics and and
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figures but to try to understand the the um who are who are the groups and
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individuals um driving historical event and what their motivations are and once
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you understand that then it becomes really predictable which is not easy to
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do but I think that with enough attention and focus uh you can you can
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kind of approximate that. Yeah, absolutely. or in the world I come
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from is root cause analysis and the pinnacle of successful time to
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resolution and getting a clear picture of what's going on is to go to the root cause not a band-aid not a peripheral
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thing and what you've described there is essentially root cause because all the happenings in the world the true root
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cause of them are the influential parties who drive them and often history
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kind of ignores that and just gives you facts fantastic you know what I was going to start off with a list of
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bullets here, but I was going to start off with a case in point in a way. I
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heard you in an interview and our Russia interview in Dubai was fantastic, but you didn't mention this, the rule of the
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seven bankers. I thought it was just an incredible story that I wasn't aware of. So maybe a few minutes on 90 1990,
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Russia, the collapse, how Putin brought it all back, but and the rule of the seven bankers.
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Okay. So that story fits in in a context of
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things that are happening today which are things that have been
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happening for 2,000 years for for longer than 2,000 years. And that is basically
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that uh you know I've been I've spent my lifetime pretty much trying to understand why is everything messed up
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you know uh you know why did why did what we call the western civilization go
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around the world uh enslave people colonize uh wipe out six major
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indigenous civilizations and depopulate huge sways of the of the earth of their
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indigenous peoples. And you know it's if you look around it's not like people that surround us are are evil but the
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system that we live in somehow must must be incentivizing those
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behaviors. You know the forever wars, the colonizations, the empires uh you
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know Spanish, Venetian, Dutch, uh British Empire, uh French Empire,
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British Empire, American Empire. It's it's what what motivates this what is
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incentivizes this process and where does it come from and uh I I kind of worked
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it out to uh to the it it seems to always stem from the uh money lending
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oligarchies since the Greek antiquity since the times of Greek antiquity
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the the the process of colonizing foreign lands and building empires
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always stems from the money lending classes from the from the bankers. And
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so I wondered why that is. And the reason why that is is because they're always in search of collateral because,
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you know, once they get control of a colony, they can turn its wealth, they can turn its uh working age population
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into their collateral, which means that uh magically other people's wealth turns
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into assets on their balance sheet. And they are profit-making assets because what do
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they do with that collateral? Well, they lend money to their clients in order to go and develop
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whatever uh natural gas, coffee plantations, uh tobacco plantations, u crude oil,
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whatever it happens to be or gold, diamonds. And then their clients, which are which are business companies, right?
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uh they go to those lands, they employ the local populace to develop all these resources and then they turn them into
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financialized flows that ultimately uh are shaped as a basically as a as a
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as a as a conveyor belt that extracts wealth from wherever they can uh take it
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to their own banks be it Wall Street, London, Paris, whatever
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And as it happens if you if you study all these historical episodes uh you
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know the Roman Empire, Sparta, Athens, um Venice, Venetian Empire, Dutch
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Empire, Spanish Empire, British Empire, the American Empire. You see that the
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the syndrome is always that it creates mayhem abroad and at the same time it
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creates misery at home because even even when these empires are at their zenith of power the local population at home uh
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lives pretty much a life of misery you know like if you look at the US cities today so you know you could say that you
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know the the United States is this empire today you look at the US cities and they are and they're they're gutted
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They're, you know, they're they're like dystopian places of misery and illness and homelessness and poverty and so
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forth. And if you go back to Victorian uh era of the British Empire, the same
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is true of life in Britain. And then you go to Italy during the Lombard banking period, same thing. Misery, plagues, um
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um internal strife and so forth. So it's always the same thing. But you know uh
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so what is the solution? And we have one very very recent example was Russia during the 1990s because when Russia
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when Russia was um transitioning from the communist system
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to the capitalist system all of a sudden very quickly the bulk of the ownership
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something like 60% of the GDP uh fell into the hands of a small group of
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oligarchs and the most powerful of these oligarchs were the the group of seven bankers in Russia they called it
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sembishina. So it was that world entails the rule of seven bankers. And then
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during the 1990s in Russia we have the same symptoms of social decay. You know
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where where um more than 40% of the population falls
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below the poverty line. 25 one one in four are at destitute poverty.
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uh law and order disintegrates. You have you have fights
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between rival gangs in St. Petersburg in Moscow, you know, shootouts on the streets. Um military disintegrates. Um
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the the the whole country turns into into a into a waste case.
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And uh then Vladimir Putin takes over in 1999 and she so he Boris Yelen
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uh nominates him as a as a as a caretaker prime minister
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and the situation begins to turn around a little bit later. Putin uh stands for election in
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March of 2000, wins the presidency and then he does something interesting
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in 2003. He calls all the oligarchs to his office, theif of them including the
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seven bankers. Uh they have they have a meeting around a very large round table
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and basically Vladimir Putin lays down the rules and he says okay three key
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things. Uh we're not going to nationalize your property. So what you
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stole you keep. It's yours. But you have to pay your taxes correctly.
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you have to treat your uh employees correctly. Don't treat them as disposable uh workforce. And three, you
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have to stay out of politics. And this third rule was actually the the most difficult for the oligarchs to accept
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because they up until that time, they pretty much owned the government. They were boasting about how they uh set up
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and take down prime min uh you know, ministers. uh uh the ministers have to
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do as they tell them. If if not, they they're they're sacked and so forth. So these seven bankers, they were boasting
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about having complete control of the government. Now Vladimir Putin telling them, you have to stay out of politics.
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Politics is is is is not your domain. This was a big challenge. So there were
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some court cases, you know, a few of the these oligarchs challenged the government. It went to it went through
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courts, you know. So, you know, unlike the way people in the west imagine,
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Vladimir Putin didn't just send assass assassins to take out these these oligarchs. It was it was done in um in a
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legal way. But basically, the oligarchs lost the court cases, the legal cases,
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right? Which which which went to show that uh between 2000 2003, Vladimir
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Putin um solidified his political support. So he felt that he was more
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powerful than the oligarchs and he felt that he could take them on. And then uh
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one of the oligarchs uh challenged Vladimir Putin more seriously and that was uh Mikall Korovski who was a trustee
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for the Jacob Rothschild's interests in Russia and uh and there you know they
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they arrested Korokovski and they charged him with tax evasion
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and uh he was found guilty and he spent 9 years in prison. But that was a signal to other oligarchs. Don't mess with it.
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I lay down the rules, you have to play by those rules. And so basically what
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happened is, you know, he didn't disenfranchise them in the sense of taking away their properties and reationalizing it. He didn't uh shoot
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them dead. He didn't imprison them apart from Mikall Korovski. He just left them
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alone with those three rules. No politics, pay your taxes correctly, treat your employees correctly. That's
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it. And uh from that point on you know with the oligarchs no longer able to
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dictate policy and you know social and economic development foreign policy etc.
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Russia had a a spectacular turnaround. So it went from one of the most
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corrupt countries in the world uh whose GDP during the 1990s Russia lost
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something like 50% of its GDP. It was absolutely spectacular what happened there. Um the the the life expectancy
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fell to something like 57 years. uh the mortality rate were at the level of
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countries at war, you know, like in you know, like mortality rate was at the level of World War II for countries
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involved in that war. And uh so it was really a basket case and we see that
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today 25 years later, Russia is a power to be reckoned with.
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Uh the standard of living has improved spectacularly. It's a wealthy country. It's a
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well-ordered country. It's a it's it it's a country of the rule of, you know, the rule of law.
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And this all has been achieved by, you know, putting the oligarchs in their
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play pen and setting limits. You know, you didn't get rid of oligarchs. You
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didn't force some kind of um egalitarianism where everybody has to be equally poor. You didn't, you know,
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bring back communism. you just set the rules where
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the political process was off limit to the to the oligarchs and the country
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turned around in a very spectacular way. And so that is a very very useful
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example for us in historical terms because it didn't involve
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um you know the knife the the knight of the long knives where you know somebody went and got rid of all the oligarchs
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you know like like Philip II with um or with a with a knight's templar you know
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it just like wiped them out or you know there wasn't a return to communism There
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wasn't confiscation of asset. It was all done legally within the framework of the
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rule of law with minimum recourse to violence. and
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it helped the country turn around and I think it's it's a hugely important
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example to keep in mind because most countries in the west have the
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acute problem of oligarchies particularly you know France, United Kingdom, United States, Sweden you know
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many I would say probably most of the western countries have oligarchies that are above the rule of law and they get
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to do whatever they like and the um democratically elected governments
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cannot touch them. You know in the west it's unthinkable that uh you know some prime minister like Kst Starmer or
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President Mcron or how do you call it [Music]
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a United States president lines up the oligarch and tell oligarchs and tells them from today on this is how it's
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going to be. But I think that what happened the other day in the United States where Trump had
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their, you know, Zuckerberg and Bezos and I don't know who was there, but I
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think that comes about as close as as possible in the United States. And I,
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you know, many people are interpreting this meeting as um
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oh, you know, uh Donald Trump is cozing up to the oligarchs. uh they're all, you
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know, in cahoots. I think it was some kind of a laying down of the law. Uh
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we'll find out, but I don't think that it was the I I I don't think it was some kind
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of a Oh, yeah. You know, like let's let's us billionaires get together and think about how to screw and enslave the
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the ordinary population. Yeah. And I'd agree. And I know that
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whole Trump question, we probably won't really get into it here, but it's a big burning question. Is Trump actually
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pushing back against the oligarchies in many ways, or is he kind of controlled
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opposition whose populist uh kind of approach of appearing to push back, but
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not really? That's a big question, but I'd agree with you. I think he largely is pushing back, but he has to cowtow to
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obviously Zionism and there's certain things you can't mess with. So, I think he's playing down to the razor's edge.
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That's my my estimation so far. But, you know, the um Insky person, the Rochell
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Banker, one of the seven rulers, he was put in jail, but you mentioned the first three who lost in court. Very
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interestingly, they all ran off uh and escaped to Israel.
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Yeah, that's kind of like a cliche. That's almost like some somebody would make that up if they were going to feel a
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little bit anti-s and yet three of them went to Israel. Roshchild's guy went to
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jail. What about the other few? Yeah, they lost their cases and they ended up going to Israel. Um I don't you
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know I don't know what the cases were exactly how they were fought but I know that they lost and so uh why they felt
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they had to uh hightail the Israel I don't know but uh they also you know
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they they didn't give up their properties they turned them over to the
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next batch of u standins of the trustees you know so I think that uh Miky or Vlad
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Vimer Chernoi uh he turned over his uh portfolio to um uh Abramovich I think
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if I'm not mistaken. I don't know how it went exactly but you know they they remained
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in charge of what they owned but you know it's um it's already since the
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Medici you know the the the the the Florentine banking family that uh
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it was it was it was out in the open that it is very difficult for them to do
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what they do unless they have political control because if you're just running a
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business then you're subject to competition. You're subject to
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unpredictable event. You cannot hold the whole country the whole society hostage
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to your requirements. So I think that Vladimir Putin and and
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and and people around him were very wise to let them keep their assets because
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ultimately it doesn't matter. You know you know even statistically you know if somebody is a billionaire in the next
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generation they're probably going to be millionaires and then in the generation after that they're just going to be
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ordinary people. You know it's it's just the way it is. you know, somebody builds the wealth, they think they're very
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capable, but they're probably it's probably always a mix of capability and luck and and and wealth dissipates. It's
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very it's very very difficult to keep it together unless you're part of this oligarchy that has political control
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whether overtly or covertly. And then you can, you know, perpetuate it through many, many generations because you're
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back in the shadows and you control the government and you make sure that everything government does is only
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helping you grow more wealthy and more powerful and that you you you you you
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hold the whole society hostage to your agendas and your priorities. And this is
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this is what Vladimir Putin has undone. And this is what I hope that uh Donald Trump uh will be able to do in the
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United States because if he does uh that's a that's a huge gain for for
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for humanity in fact. Yeah, for sure. I mean this one is on
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the razor's edge. Often people feel despondent and hopeless when I'm sharing all details around the reality. But I
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think people need to know reality no matter how challenging it is. The headwinds you might as well accept them.
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Uh, but I see it as we're all on the razor's edge. It's all to play for. The awareness is growing. Trump is doing a
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lot of stuff. Whether he's fully on board with, say, our side of freedom and libertarianism and all that other good
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American apple pie or not, he's doing loads of things which are hugely in our
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advantage. No question about that. Huge things to our advantage indeed. But we also need to do things for ourselves and
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our family which are hugely to our advantage. and we're going to have a conversation later on in this incredible
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discussion. We're going to cover way more about the Middle East and the whole world issues at the moment and what's
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driving them. H we're also going to touch on physical gold and of course Alex as a hedge fund manager previously
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and an expert in all things investment is bang on point with everyone else in my network. Physical gold is hugely
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important. This isn't financial advice. This is the opinion of all the best I can find out there. and pure gold in
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London I have a connection with. So you get looked after there if you want to further explore uh hedging against the
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future and the issues that are coming down the track and with terms of pension or if you have other net worth consider
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protecting at least some of it I would suggest. That's my opinion which I hold very strongly. But in any case let's get
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back to Alex and you ain't seen nothing yet. So, it's all to play for. But one
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other thing occurred to me with that story and your story, the seven bankers. I immediately recognized it as piv
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pivotal because that's largely been our problem for hundreds of years across all
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regions in the west and and elsewhere. So, it's a microcosm. Basically, once
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you understand the rule of the seven bankers and as you described what Putin somehow managed to do, you kind of know
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how everything in the world works. only mostly we don't manage to do what Putin did otherwise that's the game right but
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one thing occurred to me it's a little bit controversial I was a World War II buff for decades and I thought I knew
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nearly everything about World War II uh and I realized in the last year or two I
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was absolutely filled as to the drivers to your point who actually drove World
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War II who was funding it who was orchestrating all the moves but your
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story there there was a certain Austrian nasty man. Ironically, it almost parallels
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uh the Putin story because he in the 30s throughout the bankers essentially
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brought in a load of country building stuff and in fairness he was made time man of the year. I think in 37 or 1938
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the world actually officially acknowledged that he was rebuilding Germany in a a miraculous form and then
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all the bad things happened. But I also found out and I think it's historical record that Churchill and the US
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purposefully avoided any peace or accord with that Austrian guy. In fact they
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would if anything go him and I think he had made around 10 or 15 efforts to
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pleate them and reassure them and all of them were rebuffed. So it seems in a way
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that the world or the oligarchies wanted them to cause some chaos and would
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benefit from that in the long run. That that's the way it seems to me. And if he hadn't made all those mistakes and done
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terrible things and all that stuff, he could have pulled off some kind of Putin
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and Russia thing maybe. H but obviously terrible things happened and it was all a disaster and 50 million people died.
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Absolutely. I I acknowledge that but it looks like he was also almost
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encouraged to go down that path. I mean what do you think of that?
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uh he was absolutely encouraged to go down all that path and we know that from uh we know that from the way he came to
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power and then we know that from the way the World War II started and the way the World War II started
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well you know he got he got support for uh annexation of Austria 1937
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and then you know the uh Munich 1938 episode that's the one that's very very
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widely misunderstood But basically um
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you know the way the way we are being taught uh conventionally in our history curriculum is that you know Chamberlain
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tried to prevent war and that he thought that he would appease Hitler by letting
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him take uh how do you call it Sudetan Sudetan lands
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in in the Czech Republic. And uh the truth of the matter is
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completely different and that is that uh Chamberlain together with a very small
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cabal of uh the British foreign policy establishment was actually orchestrating
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Hitler's takeover of uh Czechoslovakia and they were doing it by uh encouraging
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Hitler to to uh take Czechoslovakia and on the other hand by encouraging
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Czechoslovakia to stand down and not defend themselves. And so
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Chamberlain and Lord Halifax and a couple of these people were going back
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and forth uh for for months uh making sure that uh Hitler takes
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Czechoslovakia in a peaceful way because they he didn't want to fight Czechoslovakia and making sure that Edward Bennish does
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not raise mobilize the army. Edward Benish at the time was president of Jugoslovakia
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uh to make sure that he doesn't mobilize uh the the military and mount defense
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because at that time it was perfectly well understood by by everybody involved
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that uh German Vermacht was no match for the Czech military.
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uh Czech military was superior to Hitler's Vermach in 1938 on on all
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measures other than air force and then to take Sudentland they had to you know
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they would have to go and conquer a mountainous terrain where the checks had
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um 45 defenses and hundreds of bunkers
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lining the roads. So, you know, the the German general staff thought that
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Hitler's orders to go into Czechoslovakia were suicidal. In fact, uh they were planning to
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assassinate Hitler and they were so they had three three ways to diffuse the
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situation. One was they were appealing to Great Britain because at the time, you know, Britain was like the United
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States today. Everybody was deferring to London and everybody tried to manage their affairs by coordinating with with
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London. And so uh they they tried to do that and
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then they they uh they plan to uh try to talk Hitler out of attacking
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Czechoslovakia. And if both those initiatives fail, they were going to
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assassinate Hitler. And they had a they had a date set for for that for that to happen. And so Chamberlain has been able
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to uh shield Hitler from his own general staff and he's been able to uh get the
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checks to um stand down and not defend themselves. So the result of it was they
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had this Munich conference in which they basically signed over uh the uh uh
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not Bohemia the the Sudet and Deutseland Sudetan land to Hitler and then you know
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Hitler went in without any opposition you know the Hitler's troops went into
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Sudetan Germany without any troops and then they just continued going on and
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took all of uh Bohemia And then later they added the rest and
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then September 1939 it was it was already already turn Poland's turn but
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by then they realize that they have no control over Hitler and so this is where
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you know uh they the the the partnership let's call it the friendship between the
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uh the British uh foreign policy establishment and Hitler uh
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fell apart and then You know, you saw Chamberlain, his government fell and and Churchill
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took over, but it was uh it was not at all what the what is presented to us.
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Now, uh I think it's you know, Hitler has been their creation since the get-go, since the early 20s. And so,
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they've been they've been cultivating him. They've been uh preparing him for his roles. uh they've been uh you know
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in you know they've been man they've been kind of managing Germany as well because you know Germany was desperate
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for uh investment funds. They were practically under an embargo uh under
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trade sanctions and the western banking uh cabal would not give any financial
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aid to Germany until Hitler won the elections in 1933.
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until he became the chancellor in 1933. And then they said like ah yes all these
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credits practically massive amounts of credits for Germany
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which is why you know now uh the uh how do you call it the the the credit started flowing and the German economy
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started rebounding. Uh yes, he got rid of some bankers, but the
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the main bankers, which was his the the the head of the Reichkes Bank, Helmer
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Shakt, uh he didn't get rid of him well until
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much much later. And Helmer Shak was working in very close cooperation with
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Montagorman who was the the head of the Bank of England and with Benjamin Strong
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who was the chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank in New York. And so uh this
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is where the the this is where actually the the the German policy was formed.
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And then there was a very very heavy corporate support by you know Ford and
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Standard Oil and and US Steel and all these huge corporations that helped
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German economy developed but it developed around the rearmament process. So, you
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know, the the credits flooded into German economy, but not for the civilian
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uses, but for these uh huge corporate cartels that were producing steel and energy and
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explosives and armaments and everything that was needed for the
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war that they were preparing. And you know, Hitler was their Zalinski
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basically. Exactly. And you know Churchill as well which I always viewed as a
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straightforward hero you know because why would I not that's what everything turns out he was a scumbag right there
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that is the hilarious thing it's the exact opposite of what you actually grew
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to believe through propaganda and uh it's a version of always accuse your
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enemy of what you yourself are doing. I mean everything here is a double think but the funny thing was Churchill I
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didn't realize he had very little money after his naval roles or whatever but he
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ran a full household with staff and a huge house now I don't know exactly who but he was well funded as well by the
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usual sorts you know and then he refused to defuse uh the Austrian guy I mean I
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think like I said 13 or 15 pushes from Germany to kind of hey let's let's get a
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cap on this whole thing. Apparently there were loads of offers but demonstraably
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Churchill would not even respond to any and the same with the Americans. So although the money was flowing from the
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UK and America to fuel the war from all the parties you mentioned
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on the other hand the strategy was to keep fueling them and not allow peace to
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potentially break out. So peace was obviously a problem, a big problem. They
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wanted their war, right? I mean, that's the way I see it now. And that has the very very uh
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interesting parallels to what we see today. Yes. You know, it's it's almost exactly the
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same thing. You know, obviously the the person the the the the the characters are different, the the countries are
34:16
different, but the principles, the the the the incentives
34:21
and the and the vested interests are practically the same. You know, the the
34:27
names of corporations are different, but it's it's basically all the same. And
34:32
then, you know, once you understand that and then you go like, "Oh gosh, you know, what about World War I? Oh gosh,
34:38
look. It's it's practically the same there, too. And then all the wars before
34:44
that and before that and and then you go centuries and centuries and centuries back and you realize that certain
34:51
certain principles always uh remain constant
34:59
and it's it's some kind of a system of incentives that is shaping that you know like if
35:06
you look at today and you realize that this war in Ukraine is is completely
35:11
insane that um it's been lost, but that European
35:19
leaders can't give up. They they just are
35:24
clamoring for war to continue. I mean, we even had this little cabal, a little
35:30
ad hoc think tank that came together uh called um
35:36
what were they called? Um Project Alchemy. Project Alchemy and you
35:42
know they they even put together some kind of a policy paper in which they
35:48
keep accentuating it's very important to keep Ukraine fighting. we have to keep Ukraine fighting. And then now you
35:55
understand how all those peace initiatives where you know the in in March at the end of March of 2022 the
36:02
Russians and the Ukrainians were on the verge of signing a peace agreement and
36:08
that the Ukrainian government people were opening champagne bottles because they thought like okay the war is over.
36:15
We're you know it's finished. We're going to be neutral and the Russians are going to withdraw to before to the
36:23
position before 20 24th February 2022.
36:28
And then, you know, Boris Johnson lands in Kiev and he's like, "You're not signing anything. Fight it out."
36:35
And so the war goes on and 1.7 million Ukrainian men die. And you ask yourself,
36:42
what was wrong with that piece? How was that piece worse than what we have now?
36:48
And why won't they give up even though they should, you know, like anybody with
36:54
with two brain cells uh can tell that the the war has been lost, but instead
37:00
of giving up, they're doubling down and they're doubling down again and they're doubling down more.
37:07
And then you understand that it's a it's always the same thing. They their system
37:15
is their system completely depends on them conquering uh new colonies and taking in
37:26
more collateral because the uh the banking system and the
37:32
institutions that they control um run on fraudulent money.
37:39
It's a Ponzi scheme and a Ponzi scheme can only remain stable as long as it
37:46
continues to grow. So you have to continue to issue more and more credit.
37:51
Your balance sheet always has to grow. By the way, this is why we have this obsess obsession with GDP growth, right?
38:00
Because even even when a society is at a high level of productivity, standard of
38:05
living, um prosperity, it still has to grow. It always has to grow like 2% 3%
38:12
4% 5% whatever it be. But it has to keep growing. And if it not, if it's not growing, then oh my god, we have to do
38:18
something. It must grow. Why? Because this whole system is based on a Ponzi scheme that has to keep issuing more and
38:25
more and more credit in order to remain stable. And what do you need to to issue more credit? You need more collateral.
38:32
So that means that you can't let the Russians keep their natural wealth for
38:38
themselves. You have to take it. It has to become our collateral. And they've got 75 trillion of it. And gosh, just
38:45
imagine how many loans we could issue if that that natural resource wealth could
38:52
be turned into our collateral. And Vladimir Putin won't let us have it, which is why we think he is uh, you
38:59
know, irredeemably evil. And it's also why we thought that Boris was awesome
39:04
because, you know, the the the gates of Troy were open and we could have we
39:12
could do whatever we wanted with Russia. And then Vladimir Putin said, "So, sorry, no mass, you know, which is why
39:19
we hate him and why which is why we want another Yelin or Zalinski or uh, you know, um, uh,
39:28
Gu new new guy uh, to take over and to let us have their natural resources.
39:36
That's why and and and so they can't give up because if the Ponzi scheme
39:41
comes to an end, it implodes as all Ponzi schemes do. And so they will, you
39:47
know, they will sacrifice Ukraine. They will sacrifice all of Europe in order to
39:54
preserve their Ponzi scheme. Yeah, absolutely. When all else fails, they take you to war. Exactly. But
40:01
that's only one part of it. So the bootin example and I'm glad you came back and and touched back on that. It is
40:08
truly a microcosm. It's like fractals that scenario just apply it to
40:14
everything pretty much and now you know root cause and now you're correct. And you know it's a good segue into the
40:20
second bullet point. I'm only on the second one. We'll speed up a bit, but this is sup this is superb, Alex,
40:26
because I really want people. We need to frame it and describe it in
40:32
such a way that it really is simple for any lay person to grasp the enormity of
40:37
what we're saying. And everyone needs to grasp this and understand it and understand the legacy media. It's
40:43
comical at this stage, Alex. Nearly everything in the legacy media is largely nonsense or propaganda. I'm
40:51
astonished. I flick through it occasionally just to amuse myself. It it's it is astonishing. But we'll get
40:57
now to the network and I like that name. People say Cabal, people say the blob,
41:03
but I love the network and it goes back to a book I got recently from Joe Plumber and he summarized tragedy and
41:11
hope from Carol Quigley from the 1960s, an enormous tome uh which covers load of
41:18
history. But in there Quigley who worked with the network the people were talking
41:23
about and he was meant to keep his mouth shut and then he published tragedy and hope and it wasn't an expose of the
41:30
network you know but it had pieces of truth about them throughout it and he
41:36
was meant to never tell anyone a word of this so the book was pulled after 8,000 copies the publisher destroyed the
41:43
plates you know and eventually it came out bootleg and Quigley had lawyers
41:48
against them. But obviously the network had such power they picked up the phone and his book was gone. But Joe Plumber
41:55
has written a synopsis of the important aspects of Quigley's book and it's an
42:02
astonishing read and I'm going to put the link down below guys. Download it and read it. It's free. But the network
42:09
uh Alex broadly who are the network because it's clear from tragedy and hope
42:15
I'd say it's the most accurate around. It's kind of starts mainly in the modern
42:20
times with uh Ceil Roads who had the vision right to have a world completely
42:27
controlled by the elite. No conspiracy theory. It's all documented. And then he handed over to Milner and the Milner
42:34
group. And he said Milner basically he said is my blood brother. He fully entrusted him with the vision. Milner
42:41
was committed. And then you have this whole crown kind of city of London, UK
42:49
powerful network that eventually became a network that encompassed Wall Street
42:54
and the American deep state if you want to call it. And of course all the great banking families, many of them named in
43:02
tragedy and hope. Is this is this getting towards like what the network is? It's a meta
43:10
tribe of oligarchs. That's why it's kind of hard to to get right to the guy at
43:15
the top. There isn't really a guy at the top. It's all of what I said and more. Yeah. Uh yes. Look, I I read tragedy and hope
43:23
and I read it very carefully. And in fact, this whole story about appeasement, I reconstructed it from
43:29
Carol Quigley and with some subsequent research by um the guy who wrote um
43:37
Conjuring Hitler. That's that's a masterpiece. His name is Guido Antonio Preparata.
43:43
Okay. And that book is not as not as long, but it's it's it's like dense.
43:48
It's like completely fluffy and it like blows your mind. So from those two
43:53
books, I reconstructed the what actually happened in 1938 in in Munich. Anyway,
44:00
so basically uh Carol Quigley, I believe, uh that he gave us the keys.
44:07
uh he just couldn't come out exactly and give it away
44:15
because it would be too you know the it would have been spotted straight
44:21
away. So he put it in a into a book that's like 13,400 pages long and then
44:27
you have to read it very carefully but it's a lot is there a lot is there and
44:32
uh I will I will read to you I have this in front of me the maybe the key quote
44:39
which which tells you what we're up against and the one so this is this is the key
44:45
quote from Carol Quigley and I think many people are already familiar by this but he says that the powers of financial
44:52
Capitalism had a far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world
44:57
system of financial control in private hands, able to dominate the political
45:03
system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. The growth of
45:09
financial capitalism made possible a a centralization of world economic control
45:15
and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and direct injury
45:22
of all other economic groups. And so this quote
45:27
when you take when you keep that in mind and you look at what happened in Russia in the 1990s that's it's exactly what
45:35
happens. And then you you also find out that these people like Mikall Korovski
45:40
and these other oligarchs that they were not just you know uh Russian tycoons who
45:48
emerged because they were very capable and you know aggressive young um
45:55
reformers as they were presented in the media uh in the west. they were
46:00
handpicked trustees uh
46:07
who were serving the needs of the foreign financial interests and so
46:13
Mikall Korovski was a trustee for Jacob Rothchild's interests in Russia uh
46:22
George Soros was there uh involved very prominently Edmund Saffra and and a
46:28
number of a number of high-profile Western bankers. But, you know, when you say that there's nobody at the top, I
46:36
think that there's somebody at the top necessarily because, you know, this is,
46:42
you know, these are uh these are networks of power, and you're right to call it a network. These are
46:49
networks of power that operate outside of the rule of law. So they're not bound
46:56
by uh uh lawful institutions. This is like um law of the jungle.
47:03
It it functions like like a mafia um like a mafia business, like a mafia organization, which means that somebody
47:10
necessarily has to be at the top to enforce the order. You know, you can't have democracy at that level. So in in
47:17
everything that I've read so far, it always emerges that this name Rothchild comes up as as the people who
47:27
seemingly wield the most power and then everybody else is uh kind of in a in a
47:34
subordinate position to them. And I think that when things are going well
47:41
that they get along and they work as a club and you know I'm in charge but you have
47:50
your own susant there and you have your own you know you dominate your own but
47:56
when things get difficult when the system comes to a crisis then you see
48:01
that you might have civil wars there uh between these bankers and I think that
48:06
we're living in a period when these civil wars are erupting again.
48:12
And it seems to me that the uh American bankers
48:18
uh feel that they no longer have to be subordinated to the to the British
48:24
bankers. And I think that part of what we see today might be uh that civil war. Um of
48:33
course we don't know anything about this. We can just uh look at where smoke, you know, which orifice produces
48:41
the smoke and then we can just try to kind of um wonder what what actually
48:46
happened behind the the closed walls. But you know there must be there must be
48:51
top of the hierarchy because otherwise the whole system you know it'll be like
48:57
you have a pack of dogs. There's always going to be a top dog and if there isn't a top dog the other dogs are going to
49:03
fight to the death until one emerges as the top dog and then they'll be at peace.
49:08
Yeah. And that's the lead dog kind of principle. Absolutely. you know, a slight variant on that to allow for not
49:16
one kingpin. To your mafia analogy, there's a bunch of major families and
49:22
each of them sure has the dawn, but maybe there isn't a single one, but but
49:28
there's certainly a cluster of key lead dogs.
49:33
And the beautiful elegance of that is because we're talking about families, right? Banking families, mafia families.
49:39
There's a family element to it. And you know, I was going to my next bullet point. This is fantastic, Alex. This is
49:46
a one-stop shop for everyone to know how the world works. There's no question about that in my mind. Um, I was going
49:52
to say Russia Ukraine mess as the next thing to cover, but we've largely covered that and everyone listening
49:58
knows what that's about now. Uh, unequivocally, 100% knows what that's about and it's nothing like the media
50:05
tell us, of course. And then the next one I was going to go on to was of course to be current and topical the
50:11
Middle East mess. Now obviously Iran uh is a no-brainer target and a massive
50:18
prize for its resources to your point about the bankers want the collateral. Uh but also there's a bigger picture
50:25
with the Middle East because there's the craziness of what's going on with the Zionism and Israel and all the other
50:31
kind of nutso stuff. So maybe just a few minutes on the whole Middle East side of
50:37
the mess, but it's connecting right back to the same people, I guess. Yeah, it does. And we can we can go
50:43
straight back to the creation of Israel or or you know, for the to the plans for the creation of Israel, which go back to
50:50
I think 1870s, maybe even sooner, maybe even earlier. But let's say that uh if
50:57
we fast forward to uh 1917, we had the famous Balffor declaration.
51:03
Now what was the Balffor declaration? It was basically a a very short letter
51:09
written by Arthur Bal Balfur who was the foreign secretary of the of the United
51:15
Kingdom to uh Lord um Lord Walter Rothschild.
51:23
Okay. And basically it said that his majesty's government will support the formation of a homeland
51:30
for the Jews blah blah blah. Okay. Um so
51:36
uh Walter Rothschild's son was Nathan Rothschild who was very very close
51:42
friend with Arthur Balffor and who hung out at the foreign office practically
51:48
non-stop. So, you know, it was like, "Hey, dude. Um, I I I really need you to write this
51:56
letter to my daddy, uh, saying this." And then this other
52:01
guy says like, "Sure. Uh, yeah, you got it. We'll do that." Why did they need to
52:07
create a homeland? Because the Rothschild felt particularly um
52:13
sentimental about the Jews having their homeland. Absolutely not. Uh we have you
52:19
know uh both Nathan Rochel and uh I think Balfur was part of it too. Uh
52:27
I'm not 100% sure but Nathan Rochel definitely was part of the roundt group
52:34
uh led by uh Alfred Milner whom you mentioned uh who was the you know um
52:42
ideological heir to um oh to Rhdesia roads
52:48
roads yeah road yeah to roads um and so uh
52:54
in a at a later stage, you know, the the alumni of the of the of the of the
53:00
roundt group uh spoke about why it was necessary to create Israel. And we're
53:06
talking about 1920s, 1930s before Israel was actually created. And they basically
53:12
what they were saying is in order for Britain to remain as a maritime empire
53:19
uh to remain viable, they needed to seed that region, meaning the Palestine, they
53:26
needed to seed that region with a particularly um uh patriotic stock, you
53:33
know. So they needed somebody who would be practically fanatically devoted to uh
53:40
living in that region, holding on to that region to be their beach head with
53:46
which to control the region. Not only because they already knew that it was very rich with energy resources, but
53:53
also because it was right there at the do doorstep of the Suez Canal and at the
54:01
at at the at the very crossroads of trade routes and future pipelines
54:07
between the east and west and that region has always been extremely important for that very
54:14
reason. And you know the Roman Empire the Roman Empire was drawing most of the
54:20
most tribute from the the Levant from the Eastern Mediterranean.
54:26
And you know once you once you understand that and once you understand that Roman Empire was also an empire of
54:33
money lending oligarchs and once you understand that King Herod was one of
54:40
their clients who was uh using the
54:47
the loans from the Roman uh money lenders from the bankers for these
54:52
megalomaniacal construction projects everywhere. and they had to service those loan by squeezing his own
54:58
population. Then you start to get a very very interesting new perspective on what actually happened uh back there at that
55:06
time, you know, and then who Jesus Christ was. You know, I was going to say Herod went after the
55:13
Jesus Christ, but Jesus Christ ultimately what was the big thing he did? He kicked the money lenders out of the temple. So he was against the
55:20
bankers. That's probably one of his finest attributes or qualities. And that's why
55:26
the anti-Christian thing, the anti-Christian thing is off the wall as you well know, Alex. It's the only
55:32
religion in the world that's being attacked left, right, and center, which kind of fits in with that.
55:38
Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But that's also the the the the one dimension in history that we're meant to never focus on and
55:46
we're meant, you know, basically the way they tell us the story is like, oh, you know, the the the Romans had many gods
55:53
and the Jews had one god, so they all just went crazy and started killing each other. You know, they they they just couldn't tolerate that. It wasn't like
56:00
that. The Romans lent money to their clients and they wanted it paid back with interest. That was the that was the
56:08
the the moving principle of history even back then. Anyway, back to the Middle
56:14
East. So today you the Israel has been
56:19
fulfilling its role very um very faithfully. It's been keeping the region
56:24
destabilized. has been keeping all the regimes uh surrounding Israel
56:31
um let's say um weak and perpetually on edge uh much
56:37
more easier to control for the the United States for Britain for for you know for the western powers um and uh
56:47
the challenge now is that uh the the the most powerful regional player is Iran
56:54
which is not on board with the western n empire. So what they need to do is they need to regime change Iran. And uh so
57:02
now we're hearing about Iran's nuclear program, blah blah blah blah blah. Nobody cares about Iran's nuclear
57:09
program. That is the justification for military intervention. What they want is
57:15
a regime change in Iran because they need
57:20
again uh a regime that's going to be run by
57:25
Boris Yelton Huangaido Vimer Zalinski
57:31
Shah Baklavi I don't know what what the current guy's name is but you know they
57:36
need to put in their muppet in there so that their muppet will open the gates of Troy so that they can take over the
57:43
collateral. so that that collateral can become the you know the asset on Western bank's
57:50
balance sheet and then they can loan out uh money to JP Morgan no sorry to uh
57:56
Exon Mobile uh Royal Dutshell BP uh to
58:01
go and take over Iranian oil and it's not because we need the oil we can have
58:06
the oil by just simply buying it from the Iranians the important part is that
58:11
all those corporations ations that go and develop Iran are clients of Goldman
58:18
Sachs and JP Morgan and Cityroup and Royal um Bank of Scotland and so forth
58:24
that all the money ultimately uh gets sucked into uh
58:30
City of London, Wall Street, Paris always gets some crumbs off the
58:36
table to keep the to keep the French on board, but that's that's the whole name
58:42
of the game. So, it's exactly the same, exactly the same as in Ukraine. Same
58:48
players, same moving principles, same incentives,
58:54
um, and same reasons why this Western system
59:00
generates neverending perpetual wars. Yeah. And you know, I just want to say
59:06
something not self-edifying, but I've spent nearly 40 years in root cause uh complex problem solving, you know, for
59:13
what it's worth. And I was damn good at it. But I've realized over the decades
59:18
that psychology, even though that's seen as very complex, human psychology, oh, that's really complex. That's not just
59:24
like physics. Uh no, you can root cause and fix people and even large groups of
59:30
people and management issues with the same tools. And I'll tell you something, Alex. What you're describing and we're
59:35
talking about, uh, every complex problem after you've put together all the pieces
59:41
and all the smoke and all the data, always every complex problem that's
59:47
impossible to see what's going on during it, and it's very stressful. Afterwards, there's always one thing that happens.
59:54
You can see it all clearly, and you could actually explain it in an elevator in retrospect when you know everything.
1:00:00
what we're talking about this method, this system, it's so far from a
1:00:05
conspiracy theory. It's the opposite side of the universe. It's actually perfectly logical system to have money
1:00:12
and power and dominance over your species for the select number of people
1:00:17
and it's been the same for all of human history. The mechanisms are the same. The propaganda is the same. The tools
1:00:22
are the same. And I hope people realize as they listen, they can just see the with clarity. I hope that's what we're
1:00:28
achieving here. Now, the last bullet, which wasn't on my list, but I'm adding
1:00:34
it now in my mind, I'm surprised I forgot it, is the whole China thing, and that'll be it. And then we'll get to a
1:00:39
message of hope as to where we're going and why we're going to win. Uh, but just before China, there was one last
1:00:45
thought. Oh, yeah. I might put the clip in here. I was jaw-dropped. Uh, even
1:00:52
though I shouldn't have been surprised when I saw around six months ago a 1986 video of an angry Joe Biden practically
1:00:59
slamming his fist as they sent billions uh to Israel. And he said and repeated
1:01:06
it twice for emphasis. He said, "If there was not an Israel, we'd have to
1:01:11
create an Israel." And he looked glowering at the audience in the Congress or wherever. And then he
1:01:17
repeated it again. He said, "If there was not an Israel, we'd have to create
1:01:22
an Israel for our interests in the Middle East." There's no apology to be made. None. It is the best $3 billion
1:01:31
investment we make. Were there not in Israel, the United States of America would have to invent
1:01:37
an Israel to protect her interest in the region. The United States would have to
1:01:42
go out and invent an Israel. and everyone just said and then all the
1:01:48
money was approved. It's just a delicious little proof of what you're saying. But we'll get on to China, the
1:01:54
final step. And here's what I've come to understand, and it may have been from watching one of your other interviews.
1:02:01
I'm not sure if it's you, but basically Russia, the banking powers gave Russia
1:02:07
their 1917 revolution because there's nothing better to control a country as a
1:02:12
vassal state than to give it communism and then just hold the the reigns from above and strip mine it. Now, Russia
1:02:20
kind of went in hard communism, Soviet Union, and became kind of out of bounds,
1:02:25
but the people at the top just say, you know, we'll wait. Might be a generation or two. when they did, and they came in
1:02:31
the late 80s to strip mine it. They're very patient. Um, but then Russia
1:02:37
because of its long 1200 year old history sort of of culture and
1:02:42
patriotism and belief in themselves, they managed to pull off a coup against the banking families as you described.
1:02:49
Now, China, I believe Rockefeller and Rothschild were over there with universities in the 30s, 40s, and 50s
1:02:56
just slipping them a stinky wink and feeding them a bit of communism. And then that took off in a big way. But
1:03:04
then eventually, it looks like Xi Ping, China's kind of Putin now. and they're
1:03:09
playing the game, but they've got enough chineseess going back thousands of years that they know what was done to them and
1:03:15
they ain't playing anymore, but they're playing along to not get, I don't know, really a massive war thing going. Is
1:03:22
China kind of analogous and all and the same mechanisms used?
1:03:27
Um, well, it's they're not they're not the same
1:03:34
mechanisms. that is they are the same mechanisms but they're not you being used for the same
1:03:40
uh ends okay and you know what one thing that I've understood by researching how
1:03:47
how the banking system works how the corporate system works is that it's not
1:03:54
banking is not inherently and inevitably evil that it's the evil comes out as a result
1:04:02
of choices that are made by people in charge same thing with multinational corporations. So the the cultural
1:04:09
element there is very very important and in in this sense the the western empires
1:04:18
the ones that have been fermented by uh western banking dynasties you know from
1:04:24
from the Venetians on and it was the same thing in in in Rome and arguably
1:04:30
there's a there's a there's there's some kind of a continuity there that goes through Vatican you know Rome Vatican to
1:04:35
Venice after crusades uh there's there's a cultural element there that is that makes that is using
1:04:43
those mechanisms and that is using them in a very pathological or pathogenic
1:04:49
ways. Okay. uh I think that
1:04:54
Russian approach, Chinese approach are very different and we can even you know for people who don't believe it you can
1:05:00
even look go through history and you can see how many times did the Russians or the Chinese colonize anywhere. Did they
1:05:08
ever develop wholesale uh slave trade? They didn't. Uh did they build large
1:05:15
empires that went beyond the their you know their um immediate uh regions? They
1:05:25
didn't um are they are they running a system that generates poverty today? you know,
1:05:33
the the kind that we were talking about earlier, you know, like uh Britain when
1:05:40
it was at the zenith of power, British people lived a miserable life.
1:05:45
You know, Charles Dickens wrote novels about this. Uh Upton Sinclair wrote wrote novels about the same in the
1:05:52
United States. Uh today's cities in the United States are are, you know, are are
1:05:58
a disaster. If you look at China today in the last 40 years they lifted 850
1:06:04
million people out of poverty. uh their approach is very very different and I
1:06:10
think the the direction is given
1:06:17
on on the cultural basis you know so there's there's this uh toist uh
1:06:23
confusion uh dimension that
1:06:28
that determines how the how the policy is shaped
1:06:33
and uh I think that the clash between the western bankers and China occurred
1:06:39
maybe even before Xiinping. I'm not sure. Uh but it it definitely crystallized with Xinping. That is that
1:06:46
you know election of Xiinping was the moment where the western bankers realized they had been had because what
1:06:52
happened in uh in August of 1971, Richard Nixon severed the convertibility
1:06:59
of US dollars to gold. And from that moment, I think that they knew that they
1:07:05
were going to sacrifice the United States, that they were that the dollar was going to collapse. It was only a
1:07:10
matter of time. And that the United States is going to be uh too weak. It's
1:07:16
going to become too weak to be, you know, the hegemon the
1:07:22
the force in the world that's going to be able to um guarantee their empire.
1:07:28
And I think that they designated China as the next global hegemon which is why
1:07:35
Nixon and Kissinger you know almost straight after they severed the convertability of the dollar they went
1:07:42
they started going to China to open up China and then they started building up China and you know they you're right
1:07:48
they they had certain foundations and certain connections there because you know Mao for example was a was a was a
1:07:56
Yale man you know he was he was backed by the Yale Yale University networks and
1:08:02
he was even a publisher of of of um some kind of a newsletter uh for the uh you
1:08:10
know the Chinese Yale um
1:08:15
schools. I I I knew the name. I don't I don't know the names anymore of these of these institutions and these schools,
1:08:22
but he was definitely uh recruited and cultivated by the the the American
1:08:29
establishment. Uh I think that the Chinese concluded that in order for them to avoid uh going
1:08:36
through further uh centuries of humiliations that they needed to absorb
1:08:41
the American uh the western system that they needed to bring the westerners on board and um
1:08:49
play along, make them believe that they were going to be their next hijgemon and and serve
1:08:55
their their agendas and then to you know not not in order to actually serve them but in in order to
1:09:01
behead them. And you will see in the in the statements from people like uh like Evelyn Rothschild and Jacob Rothschild
1:09:08
and George Soros and so forth that they were all very excited about developing China about transferring their seed of
1:09:15
power to China. Uh George Soros was openly talking that the China was going
1:09:22
to own the uh the future of the globalization process. And
1:09:29
you you know like if you look it up almost almost exactly in those world words you'll find interviews uh where
1:09:37
they say things like this. So they were really looking to China as their next global hegemon and as the next model of
1:09:44
governance for the world but then uh after Xihinping took over uh they they
1:09:50
had a complete turnaround. they they realize that they've been had and now they don't have another hegemon because
1:09:58
China is looking to build the future of humanity on a completely different uh
1:10:03
set of principles. So it's not going to be permanent warfare but permanent
1:10:09
peace. And you know this is why China is being demonized 24/7 every day in the
1:10:17
west because they want to convince us that China is the devil that we we have
1:10:22
to go to war against China and destroy them because China has now become
1:10:29
a risk to their system.
1:10:34
Yes. And that's ex and that's where there are quite a lot of parallels with with Russia and Putin. It's not exactly
1:10:41
the same. Different cultural stuff, different ploy were used, but they've kind of ended up a bit like Russia.
1:10:49
They're nationalistic. They look after their own people. They want prosperity.
1:10:54
They don't want, you know, perpetual wars. And they've never really col
1:10:59
colonized majorly. and they simply don't have the cultural makeup of our western
1:11:04
sociopaths and all the families we we talked about. So in a sense now enemies
1:11:11
enemy is your friend. Well like I have no belief that China if they rule the world uh would have me doing anything
1:11:18
other than a janitor's role you know and why would they? They look after their own. But at the same time, Russia now
1:11:26
and China are kind of indirectly very important allies for us who fight against the
1:11:33
sociopathic western kind of dominated system that we've talked about. That's
1:11:39
kind of the case. And the bricks, if the bricks weren't there to counter our
1:11:44
madmen, um, we'd be in a worse spot, I think.
1:11:50
Yeah, I do think so. And you know, you're always better off if there's competition in any field, you know. So
1:11:58
even if our pathological monsters have to reckon with some kind of competition,
1:12:04
some kind of a challenge to their power, uh they have to at the very least soften their their stance. You know, they have
1:12:11
to reduce the contrast between themselves and the other side. Otherwise, it becomes obvious to us to
1:12:17
say like, hey, how come life in China is uh is really good? and people can walk
1:12:22
safely down the streets and there are no drug addicts and needles everywhere and
1:12:27
their women don't get assaulted routinely and raped uh in public. Uh
1:12:33
whereas and then they live they have a very high standard of living and they support their government and they report
1:12:39
that they live happily and they feel free whereas here everything is
1:12:45
How come that you know can can somebody explain this to me? Why is it that we have these uh beautiful sacrosanked
1:12:53
democracies but it seems that we always keep getting a lot of what we don't want
1:12:59
but we can never have a lot of what we do want and vote for. Why is that? Can
1:13:05
somebody explain that to me? You know, you know, if if we have democracies, then we should be able to decide the the
1:13:12
you know, the policies and the and the direction of the development of our
1:13:17
societies. But we get always everything opposite of what we what we choose.
1:13:23
Whereas you know in Russia people are happy. People support Vladimir Putin. He has a very very high job approval
1:13:29
rating. The standard of living is very high. Uh the percentage of people who
1:13:34
report that they believe the country is moving in the right direction is very high. Uh over on our side it's it's
1:13:41
actually very low. they've been they've been now um uh contaminating those
1:13:47
statistics. You know, they're no longer um they no longer reflect what people
1:13:52
actually say, but a few years ago they did. And I think that figures from 2011,
1:14:01
2012, 2013 in the western European countries uh the
1:14:07
people who uh who thought that their country their countries were moving in the right direction was um in some cases
1:14:14
in the in the low teens, you know, like in France I think it was 11%, in Great
1:14:19
Britain it was like 13%. Um whereas in Russia it was it was close
1:14:25
to 60%. Uh so you know I think that we have to
1:14:31
acknowledge that something's not right in our house because if we don't acknowledge it we
1:14:38
can't fix it. And once we acknowledge it we have to diagnose it correctly. Otherwise we
1:14:43
waste energy on on um on false solutions.
1:14:48
And uh I I I think that you can't you know if you try to diagnose it and you
1:14:55
research you know you know you peel the layers of the onion you always end up getting to the to the money lending
1:15:01
oligarchy and then you understand that the money lending oligarchy is actually
1:15:07
uh above the the legally elected uh governments and that the legally elected
1:15:13
governments our governments are subordinated to the money lending oligarchies. and they do their bidding
1:15:19
obviously and that's actually an empirical fact. It's not that Alex Kramer is inventing it. That's an empir
1:15:26
empirical fact that was determined both in the United Kingdom and the United States in in uh in empirical studies.
1:15:34
And so this is a problem that we have to solve
1:15:39
because if we don't then we're surrendering our children into slavery.
1:15:46
You know, it's it's there's no two ways about it. This is not a small problem. This is a huge problem. And if anybody
1:15:53
needs like a visual about what what a society would look like if this oligarchic power goes unchecked, all you
1:16:00
have to look at how things turned out for the Western Roman Empire where you
1:16:05
had a complete collapse of society where you have complete collapse of markets
1:16:11
and we basically went back to the dark ages and the economy of barter where you
1:16:18
know concrete floors or tiled floors disappeared. appeared from the archaeological record for a few
1:16:24
centuries. Money disappeared. Um production of small uh of you know like
1:16:33
items of cheap items of broad use like nails and roof tiles and things like this they disappeared. So people went
1:16:40
back to living basically like like like stone stone age existence
1:16:45
you know like like nomads. They went back to basically pre-ivilizational times.
1:16:51
And this is what happens if oligarchic power is not checked. And then if you
1:16:58
want to know what happens if you do check oligarchic power, then you study
1:17:04
the contrast between Russia during the 1990s and Russia today and the man who
1:17:09
put oligarchs in their play pen and left them with their money to enjoy life. He
1:17:14
didn't kill them. He didn't arrest them other than Mikall Korovski. um he he didn't take away their toys and
1:17:21
you know they can focus on enjoying their life, eating good food, um buying nice cars, having nice women.
1:17:29
All they have to do is stay out of politics and that should be something for our oligarchs to consider as well.
1:17:36
Absolutely, Alex. But I I feel they they will need a little bit of persuasion
1:17:41
at this They might need some persu They might need some enhanced persuasion as well as enhanced interrogation.
1:17:49
Yeah. I mean they are I often said like the Kov flu nonsense that triggered the
1:17:55
massive insanity of the last few years with the trans and of course the mass
1:18:00
migration which is a disaster. I don't even need to tell you what's happening in Ireland and you know the UK. It is
1:18:07
shocking what they're destroying. They're destroying culture, history, um, sovereignty, nationality. It it's it's
1:18:13
it's it's a fire sail. Or not a fire, it's an inferno. It's crazy. But, you know, a
1:18:19
couple of quick things there before we move on to the future. Uh, the bright future for all of us. Uh, just one thing
1:18:25
people will say when you kind of painted China as a nice place, you know, they got cameras everywhere and everyone's
1:18:31
tracked and traced. So, there is that. Russia, I think, is a better example. We've all seen the videos of Russia and
1:18:37
uh Moscow and everything as you describe and but China and Russia share
1:18:42
something. No mass migration uh attack on their countries, you know, and
1:18:48
Poland, I think, and a couple European countries are getting fined by the EU because they don't want to destroy their
1:18:54
culture, history, and their their whole society with mass migration. But that's
1:18:59
a topic probably won't get into it, but it looks to me to be a major tool of the oligarchs in the west in the last couple
1:19:06
of years. I mean, it's and it's very clever because if you use mass migration
1:19:12
to undermine society, just like you attack the family, you bring in abortion, you attack religion, you
1:19:19
attack everything that keeps a society solid if you want to turn all the societies into one big blob for your
1:19:26
pleasure. So that's a whole topic, but getting on to the positive uh and where we go from here. I think
1:19:32
awareness is a massive thing. We might we might have a quick chat by the way first cuz you're a hedge fund manager
1:19:39
and you know all about investments and and everything. I actually see it like
1:19:45
my role during the Kov flu was to help people understand reality in order to
1:19:50
hedge for themselves and their families this new crazy world. But I've been banging on for years and yes, I do have
1:19:58
a relationship with Pure Gold in London. I know. But personally, I can say with
1:20:03
absolute 100% honesty, I see my role a
1:20:08
very important role to introduce people to physical gold. Whether through their pension if they don't have much money or
1:20:14
whether through money they have, especially high net worth. It's so important that people get a percentage
1:20:21
into physical gold to hedge against what's coming. I mean, what do you think about that one? I was worried that gold
1:20:27
in the last 6 months might correct, which I would not care about from 3,200 down to maybe 27. Pipenberg Matt uh the
1:20:36
gold guy, he said it best. He said, "I don't care care whether I keep accumulating at 32 or it goes to 27 or
1:20:42
it goes up to 36 where it is now." The important thing is we keep accumulating physical gold and silver and now Alex is
1:20:50
looking to me that there was no correction and after a long holding period or a penant a bull flag it seems
1:20:58
to be heading on up. What do you reckon about the importance of gold for people to shield themselves from some of the
1:21:06
the crap that's going on? Um so before I say that I just one
1:21:12
correction. I'm not a hedge fund manager. I used to be one. Uh so I'm a
1:21:17
former hedge fund manager. But you know uh that's it is very important for us to
1:21:23
try to um push back against their um agenda of
1:21:29
uh you will own nothing and you will be happy. So it's actually quite important for people to try to
1:21:37
preserve their assets and their purchasing power to the best extent possible because
1:21:44
you know as as I think it was Alexander Hamilton or somebody like that Benjamin Franklin I don't know who said that the
1:21:51
power over your uh existence amounts to a power over your will. So if they
1:21:57
manage to get you to owning nothing then they then they have you. So in that
1:22:02
sense I will agree with you that it's important to own uh some assets like gold for the transition that's ahead of
1:22:10
us and that transition could be very very um
1:22:16
very very difficult uh for many people. Uh we don't know what's going to happen.
1:22:21
We've never been uh at this point in history. But let's say that I I you know
1:22:27
I don't I don't necessarily um recommend hoarding gold uh
1:22:33
infinitely, but I do recommend having at least so much that it could
1:22:39
let's say an equivalent of at least several months of your living expenses.
1:22:45
So let's say six months of your living expenses you should own in physical gold
1:22:52
just in case it becomes necessary and also because 100%
1:22:58
the the the currency that we use today whether it's a pound or euro or dollar
1:23:04
or yen or whatever you you're using it's going to go to zero. That's a mathematical certainty. It's only a
1:23:10
question of time. Gold is not going to go to zero. So, in order for you to pre preserve some purchasing power,
1:23:17
uh you need to own some gold. If you can, you should own a little a plot of uh agricultural uh land. Uh and you
1:23:25
might think about diversifying into something like Bitcoin as well, silver,
1:23:32
other things. Now, if if we're going to talk about the price of gold and where it might go from here, uh I I I've
1:23:40
noticed something over the last 10 years or so, and that is that any any asset,
1:23:46
any security that starts to form an uptrend
1:23:52
has a certain tendency to go into a into a vertical
1:23:57
accelerated rally that can see the price go up. multiffold, not you know 10% 20%
1:24:06
50% but several fold. And I've seen that happen with with with cobalt with many
1:24:14
stocks with with Bitcoin and some other cryptocurrencies
1:24:19
uh with um things like palladium a couple of years
1:24:24
ago. Anyway, uh the Cocoa, for example, Coco, which has been
1:24:31
trading forever between $2 and $3,000 for, I don't know, 15 or 20 years, it was
1:24:38
always between, you know, $2,000 a ton and $3,000 a ton. And then
1:24:45
in the last two years, it hit, I think, $14,000. It just went into this
1:24:52
almost vertical climb. And I asked myself why why would that be? And I think that
1:24:58
maybe part of the explanation at least is in that we have now this huge
1:25:05
quantity of uh liquidity that's that exists in the so-called shadow banking
1:25:11
system. And shadow banking system is is um these
1:25:16
are institutions like hedge funds and pension funds and endowments and insurance companies. Let's say they are
1:25:23
financial institutions but unlike banks they cannot create money. So they have liquid investable assets that they
1:25:30
allocate to this or that asset but they can't create credit you know they can't
1:25:35
print money out of thin air unlike banks. Nevertheless uh in all the world the shadow banking
1:25:41
system adds up to something like $220 trillion.
1:25:47
So that's a lot. And if you take a market like gold, which I think
1:25:54
all of it, all of it, all of it in the world amounts to about $20 trillion.
1:26:02
So it's just one10enth of the shadow banking system. And then
1:26:07
if you reduce that gold market to just what's traded, that's only a small fraction of those $20 trillion because a
1:26:14
lot of that is like gold that's sitting physically in vaults somewhere. jewelry.
1:26:20
If you if you just go to the let's say phys to to to the to the market where
1:26:26
gold is traded daily, that's a that's a sliver of that market. I I don't know,
1:26:33
let's call it a trillion or two. And so you have
1:26:39
price discovery which is happening in this one or two trillion dollar market
1:26:46
and you have $220 trillion of liquid investable assets
1:26:52
that can impact the price of gold. And so when people see the price of gold
1:26:57
start to do this, it's enough that just some of those hedge fund managers,
1:27:03
pension fund managers, endowments that some of them just say like, hm,
1:27:09
gold is looking very strong these days. Maybe I will increase my allocation to
1:27:15
gold from 1% to 2%. And that can then create that vertical
1:27:23
hockey stick chart. Uh according to last information that I
1:27:29
have and that it's not so recent maybe it's a few years old like two or three years old most of these institutions in
1:27:35
the shadow banking system had zero allocation to gold. Zero.
1:27:41
So the amount of purchasing power compared to the quantity of of gold
1:27:48
that's available for for sale is is there there's a massive massive
1:27:53
imbalance. So for that reason, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw gold reach
1:28:03
$10,000 in the next two, three, five years, $20,000.
1:28:10
uh you can't really put a number and all these analysts that like boldly predict
1:28:16
oh the gold price might close at 3,800 this year or it might go to 4,000 this
1:28:24
year. I don't know I don't know on what basis they make those predictions but I've
1:28:30
been reading those predictions for the last 20 years and they you know that's a class of analysts that always makes a
1:28:36
prediction that's just above where the price of something is today. So you know if if when when like at the beginning of
1:28:43
this year when gold was trading at about $2,600 people were predicting that oh during
1:28:50
2025 it might go to $2,800 or even $3,000. Well, what? It's September now
1:28:56
and we're at 3,650. Did anybody predict it? Somebody must have, but you know,
1:29:01
most people were making these predictions that were maybe current price plus 100 bucks or 200
1:29:09
bucks depending how bold they actually feel. But there's no predicting this, you know. Uh you could say like like
1:29:16
with Bitcoin uh one day it's trading at like 10,000 bucks, the next day well you
1:29:21
know couple of months later it's at 60,000 bucks. Uh is there any uh market
1:29:27
fundamentals that could possibly explain this? Nope, there isn't. accept that
1:29:33
there's so much money out there and it's chasing after
1:29:38
assets that will allow them to not get wiped out, you know, by inflation and by
1:29:43
by by government printing infinite amounts of currency. And and I'd have to
1:29:49
say I have my process for who I trust and listen to and I have around a dozen now including yourself of course in
1:29:56
macroeconomics and all these things and Rick Rule and Matt Pipenberg Christopher
1:30:01
Mullen from the technical traders who purely goes by price action and technicals not the macro we're talking
1:30:07
about but all of them pretty much were pretty bangon in their predictions for
1:30:13
gold over the period. But you're absolutely right CNBC and all this is just junk. they just keep adding on a
1:30:19
little when it's going up like a could do that. Um so absolutely and the
1:30:24
other key thing I suppose that people it'd be good to know I got heavy into this and one overriding driving factor
1:30:32
for me was 2019 with the bank for international settlements the head of
1:30:37
the snake the head of the head of the snake which Quigley earlier referred to the BIS it's to be the ruling kind of
1:30:45
central nexus for all of this crap well they certainly are and they move gold from I think tier 2C see right up to
1:30:52
tier one with the US sovereign debt 2019 once when I found that out and I found
1:30:58
out that central banks all over the world are buying like crazy and the other thing is that the gold price gone
1:31:03
up to 3600 from where it was at I don't know 1,800 when I got in. Um that's been
1:31:10
driven primarily by central bank buying. So you got to watch what the head of the
1:31:16
heads of the snakes are doing. Let's be fair. for the last hundreds of years, they've made everything happen that's
1:31:23
happening in the world, right? And if they're amassing gold and that alone is driving up the price and retail have
1:31:30
hardly even got in yet, never mind all the private equity and all the shadow banking. Your point, you can square your
1:31:38
point. No financial advice, no predictions, but it's such a no-brainer for me for people to hedge with a chunky
1:31:46
amount of that beautiful metal. I mean, I don't know. I truly believe it. But positive stuff besides taking care of
1:31:53
your family's finances in the way we just talked about. For me, awareness, it
1:31:59
might sound naive, but I keep telling people the only thing that can counter
1:32:04
these ultra powerful and they have all the money and the power currently. it's
1:32:10
beginning to crack and fail and there's infighting happening and they're losing against the bricks and they're losing in
1:32:16
Ukraine and they're losing in ways in the Middle East. Uh they're losing against China. So, we covered all the
1:32:22
headwinds they have, the so-called elite, they're kind of screwing up a lot now. They're getting desperate. But for
1:32:29
me, the only thing that will truly topple them and safeguard our children's future fundamentally is awareness of the
1:32:36
people. Currently we have a small minority of people who are aware. If you
1:32:42
double that or tripled and got up to 15 or 20% of people in the west broadly know what we're talking about and
1:32:48
understand it that would make a mark that would leave a mark. Is it your
1:32:53
belief that similarly that we just need awareness and a lot of the rest will
1:32:59
take care of itself over time? Uh yes absolutely that's the key. I
1:33:05
think uh we need to understand uh how the system works. Uh we need to
1:33:11
understand what the agenda is. We need to understand what their plans for us are. And we need to understand where
1:33:18
where that would take our children and their children, what what the reality of their life would be. And then there's no
1:33:25
question that everybody will resist this because it's it's a fate that could be
1:33:30
worse than death. uh and nobody would wish that to to to their children, even their enemy's
1:33:37
children. And so uh we we need to know this be and and that's also the reason
1:33:43
why a lot of what they do they do in secret or they try to mis disinform us
1:33:49
and mislead us about about it which is why they're so you know vexed and and
1:33:55
and hysterical about us having access to information on on social media and on
1:34:01
the internet and they want to shut it all down. But uh you know so far we're
1:34:07
in good shape. Um I read probably about a hundred years ago you know after after
1:34:13
the Federal Reserve was created in the United States one of these one of these
1:34:18
powerful money people said that maybe there's a few dozen people in the whole
1:34:24
world that understand how the money machine works. I think that today that's probably a
1:34:32
whole percentage of people. It may not be very high but even
1:34:38
even if even if a percentage as low as 2 3 5% of
1:34:44
people understand uh in very broad terms how the money
1:34:50
system works we are already in a good shape because from there comes the understanding of who exactly the enemy
1:34:56
is you know it's not the Chinese it's not the Russians it's not the Muslims it's the people who are uh in charge of
1:35:05
the of the credit issuance of the of the monetary system
1:35:10
of these big banks of the Bank of International Settlements and the central banks. They are the enemies.
1:35:17
They are the ones who have created the migration crisis. They are the ones who
1:35:22
orchestrated the the the the not just the COVID pandemic but all of the
1:35:28
previous ones before that you know that started with you know I don't know SARS MS 2003 and then they had one every year
1:35:36
or two so they keep doing these things and these are also the people who um
1:35:43
who fment the wars who instigate the wars everywhere around the world which is why you know we we live in this
1:35:49
Orwellian world of non-stop neverending warfare and shifting alliances and
1:35:56
shifting friends and and and enemies. And I think it's it's time to end this
1:36:01
system. You know, it's had its run for about, you know, a few centuries, let's call it 500, 600 years. But it's come to
1:36:09
a point where, you know, if we don't push back, if we don't demand a change of course, then we are surrendering our
1:36:16
children to slavery basically. And I don't I don't think I'm e even exaggerating. That's that's really what
1:36:22
it is. I know for a fact that's big claim. I
1:36:28
know you're not exaggerating. And that's what's driven me really since I got engaged in all this thing. Uh primarily
1:36:34
through the trigger event of the Kov flu nonsense. Uh and then over the years I I discovered everything we're talking
1:36:41
about from people like you and Dr. Nordinger and others. And now I know it's the most important thing any of us
1:36:47
can do is help achieve what you just described. A percentage of people aware of the Babylonian money magic of knowing
1:36:54
who ultimately truly technically is driving all of our problems and then
1:37:00
addressing it. Um, so that was a great way to wrap up. Alex, I've kept you way longer than we agreed at the start, but
1:37:07
I think this is a master class. I truly think so. I'm going to go straight and start putting it together now. And I
1:37:14
plan on doing a series of maybe weekly live streams with Dr. Jakob Nording, I'm
1:37:21
sure you're aware of, and his fantastic work on Rockefeller and all the all of
1:37:27
what we're talking about, but a little more contained. we went broader and uh I'm going to do a weekly with him where
1:37:34
we go through tragedy and hope chapter by chapter and reveal the full picture of the world and how it works towards
1:37:41
what what you also share with me a hope that we can get people to understand this and who the enemy is and we might
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if you're available h bring you in occasionally as a special guest of honor into some of those perhaps
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that would be with pleasure I of course thank Thank you so much, Alex. You're doing a sterling job uh getting the
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message out there and uh it's a joy to watch. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you for the
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invite and uh warm greetings from Croatia to your viewers and listeners.
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Beautiful Croatia. Thank you so much. Thank you. Take care. Bye-bye. That'll do it, folks. I'm going to name
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this my most important interview yet. I think that's very fair because it's the
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best compilation or synthesis or integration of everything we need to
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know about what's happening in the world and how we ultimately push back against
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