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Humanity's Chains

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But it's come to a point where, you know, if we don't push back, if we don't demand a change of course, then we are

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surrendering our children to slavery, basically. And I don't I don't think I'm even exaggerating. That's that's really

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what it is. Well, guys, you just heard a taste there of my fascinating conversation with Alex Craner. And Alex,

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it's great to see you again. maybe give a quick introduction and it'll probably indicate how you seem to be correct on

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nearly everything in geopolitics and macroeconomics which is quite stunning.

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Well, uh thank you. Thank you Ivor. Great to join you again. uh I think maybe are a little bit too kind but I

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think that you know if you if you take a very broad study of history you know to

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try to understand the the context of everything that's going on then the you

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know the dots connect nicely and it's you know rather rather than this

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blizzard of SCOP you can maybe pay better attention to what's relevant

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what's not relevant what's what's real what's uh um a SCOP or or you know

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induced psychosis and and then it becomes a little bit more easy to to

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predict what what might happen next. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. You know, I was you know I'm I'm hesitating to say because I'm going to certainly butcher it, but there's a

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an American historian who who has a great quote. uh I forget his name now

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but basically he says that when we study history it's very important not to just look at events and statistics and and

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figures but to try to understand the the um who are who are the groups and

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individuals um driving historical event and what their motivations are and once

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you understand that then it becomes really predictable which is not easy to

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do but I think that with enough attention and focus uh you can you can

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kind of approximate that. Yeah, absolutely. or in the world I come

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from is root cause analysis and the pinnacle of successful time to

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resolution and getting a clear picture of what's going on is to go to the root cause not a band-aid not a peripheral

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thing and what you've described there is essentially root cause because all the happenings in the world the true root

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cause of them are the influential parties who drive them and often history

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kind of ignores that and just gives you facts fantastic you know what I was going to start off with a list of

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bullets here, but I was going to start off with a case in point in a way. I

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heard you in an interview and our Russia interview in Dubai was fantastic, but you didn't mention this, the rule of the

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seven bankers. I thought it was just an incredible story that I wasn't aware of. So maybe a few minutes on 90 1990,

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Russia, the collapse, how Putin brought it all back, but and the rule of the seven bankers.

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Okay. So that story fits in in a context of

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things that are happening today which are things that have been

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happening for 2,000 years for for longer than 2,000 years. And that is basically

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that uh you know I've been I've spent my lifetime pretty much trying to understand why is everything messed up

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you know uh you know why did why did what we call the western civilization go

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around the world uh enslave people colonize uh wipe out six major

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indigenous civilizations and depopulate huge sways of the of the earth of their

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indigenous peoples. And you know it's if you look around it's not like people that surround us are are evil but the

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system that we live in somehow must must be incentivizing those

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behaviors. You know the forever wars, the colonizations, the empires uh you

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know Spanish, Venetian, Dutch, uh British Empire, uh French Empire,

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British Empire, American Empire. It's it's what what motivates this what is

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incentivizes this process and where does it come from and uh I I kind of worked

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it out to uh to the it it seems to always stem from the uh money lending

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oligarchies since the Greek antiquity since the times of Greek antiquity

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the the the process of colonizing foreign lands and building empires

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always stems from the money lending classes from the from the bankers. And

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so I wondered why that is. And the reason why that is is because they're always in search of collateral because,

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you know, once they get control of a colony, they can turn its wealth, they can turn its uh working age population

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into their collateral, which means that uh magically other people's wealth turns

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into assets on their balance sheet. And they are profit-making assets because what do

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they do with that collateral? Well, they lend money to their clients in order to go and develop

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whatever uh natural gas, coffee plantations, uh tobacco plantations, u crude oil,

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whatever it happens to be or gold, diamonds. And then their clients, which are which are business companies, right?

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uh they go to those lands, they employ the local populace to develop all these resources and then they turn them into

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financialized flows that ultimately uh are shaped as a basically as a as a

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as a as a conveyor belt that extracts wealth from wherever they can uh take it

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to their own banks be it Wall Street, London, Paris, whatever

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And as it happens if you if you study all these historical episodes uh you

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know the Roman Empire, Sparta, Athens, um Venice, Venetian Empire, Dutch

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Empire, Spanish Empire, British Empire, the American Empire. You see that the

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the syndrome is always that it creates mayhem abroad and at the same time it

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creates misery at home because even even when these empires are at their zenith of power the local population at home uh

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lives pretty much a life of misery you know like if you look at the US cities today so you know you could say that you

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know the the United States is this empire today you look at the US cities and they are and they're they're gutted

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They're, you know, they're they're like dystopian places of misery and illness and homelessness and poverty and so

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forth. And if you go back to Victorian uh era of the British Empire, the same

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is true of life in Britain. And then you go to Italy during the Lombard banking period, same thing. Misery, plagues, um

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um internal strife and so forth. So it's always the same thing. But you know uh

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so what is the solution? And we have one very very recent example was Russia during the 1990s because when Russia

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when Russia was um transitioning from the communist system

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to the capitalist system all of a sudden very quickly the bulk of the ownership

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something like 60% of the GDP uh fell into the hands of a small group of

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oligarchs and the most powerful of these oligarchs were the the group of seven bankers in Russia they called it

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sembishina. So it was that world entails the rule of seven bankers. And then

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during the 1990s in Russia we have the same symptoms of social decay. You know

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where where um more than 40% of the population falls

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below the poverty line. 25 one one in four are at destitute poverty.

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uh law and order disintegrates. You have you have fights

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between rival gangs in St. Petersburg in Moscow, you know, shootouts on the streets. Um military disintegrates. Um

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the the the whole country turns into into a into a waste case.

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And uh then Vladimir Putin takes over in 1999 and she so he Boris Yelen

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uh nominates him as a as a as a caretaker prime minister

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and the situation begins to turn around a little bit later. Putin uh stands for election in

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March of 2000, wins the presidency and then he does something interesting

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in 2003. He calls all the oligarchs to his office, theif of them including the

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seven bankers. Uh they have they have a meeting around a very large round table

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and basically Vladimir Putin lays down the rules and he says okay three key

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things. Uh we're not going to nationalize your property. So what you

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stole you keep. It's yours. But you have to pay your taxes correctly.

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you have to treat your uh employees correctly. Don't treat them as disposable uh workforce. And three, you

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have to stay out of politics. And this third rule was actually the the most difficult for the oligarchs to accept

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because they up until that time, they pretty much owned the government. They were boasting about how they uh set up

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and take down prime min uh you know, ministers. uh uh the ministers have to

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do as they tell them. If if not, they they're they're sacked and so forth. So these seven bankers, they were boasting

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about having complete control of the government. Now Vladimir Putin telling them, you have to stay out of politics.

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Politics is is is is not your domain. This was a big challenge. So there were

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some court cases, you know, a few of the these oligarchs challenged the government. It went to it went through

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courts, you know. So, you know, unlike the way people in the west imagine,

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Vladimir Putin didn't just send assass assassins to take out these these oligarchs. It was it was done in um in a

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legal way. But basically, the oligarchs lost the court cases, the legal cases,

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right? Which which which went to show that uh between 2000 2003, Vladimir

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Putin um solidified his political support. So he felt that he was more

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powerful than the oligarchs and he felt that he could take them on. And then uh

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one of the oligarchs uh challenged Vladimir Putin more seriously and that was uh Mikall Korovski who was a trustee

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for the Jacob Rothschild's interests in Russia and uh and there you know they

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they arrested Korokovski and they charged him with tax evasion

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and uh he was found guilty and he spent 9 years in prison. But that was a signal to other oligarchs. Don't mess with it.

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I lay down the rules, you have to play by those rules. And so basically what

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happened is, you know, he didn't disenfranchise them in the sense of taking away their properties and reationalizing it. He didn't uh shoot

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them dead. He didn't imprison them apart from Mikall Korovski. He just left them

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alone with those three rules. No politics, pay your taxes correctly, treat your employees correctly. That's

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it. And uh from that point on you know with the oligarchs no longer able to

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dictate policy and you know social and economic development foreign policy etc.

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Russia had a a spectacular turnaround. So it went from one of the most

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corrupt countries in the world uh whose GDP during the 1990s Russia lost

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something like 50% of its GDP. It was absolutely spectacular what happened there. Um the the the life expectancy

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fell to something like 57 years. uh the mortality rate were at the level of

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countries at war, you know, like in you know, like mortality rate was at the level of World War II for countries

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involved in that war. And uh so it was really a basket case and we see that

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today 25 years later, Russia is a power to be reckoned with.

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Uh the standard of living has improved spectacularly. It's a wealthy country. It's a

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well-ordered country. It's a it's it it's a country of the rule of, you know, the rule of law.

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And this all has been achieved by, you know, putting the oligarchs in their

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play pen and setting limits. You know, you didn't get rid of oligarchs. You

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didn't force some kind of um egalitarianism where everybody has to be equally poor. You didn't, you know,

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bring back communism. you just set the rules where

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the political process was off limit to the to the oligarchs and the country

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turned around in a very spectacular way. And so that is a very very useful

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example for us in historical terms because it didn't involve

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um you know the knife the the knight of the long knives where you know somebody went and got rid of all the oligarchs

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you know like like Philip II with um or with a with a knight's templar you know

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it just like wiped them out or you know there wasn't a return to communism There

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wasn't confiscation of asset. It was all done legally within the framework of the

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rule of law with minimum recourse to violence. and

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it helped the country turn around and I think it's it's a hugely important

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example to keep in mind because most countries in the west have the

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acute problem of oligarchies particularly you know France, United Kingdom, United States, Sweden you know

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many I would say probably most of the western countries have oligarchies that are above the rule of law and they get

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to do whatever they like and the um democratically elected governments

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cannot touch them. You know in the west it's unthinkable that uh you know some prime minister like Kst Starmer or

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President Mcron or how do you call it [Music]

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a United States president lines up the oligarch and tell oligarchs and tells them from today on this is how it's

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going to be. But I think that what happened the other day in the United States where Trump had

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their, you know, Zuckerberg and Bezos and I don't know who was there, but I

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think that comes about as close as as possible in the United States. And I,

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you know, many people are interpreting this meeting as um

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oh, you know, uh Donald Trump is cozing up to the oligarchs. uh they're all, you

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know, in cahoots. I think it was some kind of a laying down of the law. Uh

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we'll find out, but I don't think that it was the I I I don't think it was some kind

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of a Oh, yeah. You know, like let's let's us billionaires get together and think about how to screw and enslave the

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the ordinary population. Yeah. And I'd agree. And I know that

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whole Trump question, we probably won't really get into it here, but it's a big burning question. Is Trump actually

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pushing back against the oligarchies in many ways, or is he kind of controlled

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opposition whose populist uh kind of approach of appearing to push back, but

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not really? That's a big question, but I'd agree with you. I think he largely is pushing back, but he has to cowtow to

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obviously Zionism and there's certain things you can't mess with. So, I think he's playing down to the razor's edge.

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That's my my estimation so far. But, you know, the um Insky person, the Rochell

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Banker, one of the seven rulers, he was put in jail, but you mentioned the first three who lost in court. Very

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interestingly, they all ran off uh and escaped to Israel.

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Yeah, that's kind of like a cliche. That's almost like some somebody would make that up if they were going to feel a

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little bit anti-s and yet three of them went to Israel. Roshchild's guy went to

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jail. What about the other few? Yeah, they lost their cases and they ended up going to Israel. Um I don't you

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know I don't know what the cases were exactly how they were fought but I know that they lost and so uh why they felt

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they had to uh hightail the Israel I don't know but uh they also you know

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they they didn't give up their properties they turned them over to the

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next batch of u standins of the trustees you know so I think that uh Miky or Vlad

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Vimer Chernoi uh he turned over his uh portfolio to um uh Abramovich I think

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if I'm not mistaken. I don't know how it went exactly but you know they they remained

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in charge of what they owned but you know it's um it's already since the

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Medici you know the the the the the Florentine banking family that uh

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it was it was it was out in the open that it is very difficult for them to do

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what they do unless they have political control because if you're just running a

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business then you're subject to competition. You're subject to

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unpredictable event. You cannot hold the whole country the whole society hostage

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to your requirements. So I think that Vladimir Putin and and

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and and people around him were very wise to let them keep their assets because

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ultimately it doesn't matter. You know you know even statistically you know if somebody is a billionaire in the next

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generation they're probably going to be millionaires and then in the generation after that they're just going to be

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ordinary people. You know it's it's just the way it is. you know, somebody builds the wealth, they think they're very

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capable, but they're probably it's probably always a mix of capability and luck and and and wealth dissipates. It's

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very it's very very difficult to keep it together unless you're part of this oligarchy that has political control

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whether overtly or covertly. And then you can, you know, perpetuate it through many, many generations because you're

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back in the shadows and you control the government and you make sure that everything government does is only

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helping you grow more wealthy and more powerful and that you you you you you

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hold the whole society hostage to your agendas and your priorities. And this is

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this is what Vladimir Putin has undone. And this is what I hope that uh Donald Trump uh will be able to do in the

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United States because if he does uh that's a that's a huge gain for for

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for humanity in fact. Yeah, for sure. I mean this one is on

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the razor's edge. Often people feel despondent and hopeless when I'm sharing all details around the reality. But I

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think people need to know reality no matter how challenging it is. The headwinds you might as well accept them.

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Uh, but I see it as we're all on the razor's edge. It's all to play for. The awareness is growing. Trump is doing a

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lot of stuff. Whether he's fully on board with, say, our side of freedom and libertarianism and all that other good

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American apple pie or not, he's doing loads of things which are hugely in our

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advantage. No question about that. Huge things to our advantage indeed. But we also need to do things for ourselves and

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our family which are hugely to our advantage. and we're going to have a conversation later on in this incredible

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discussion. We're going to cover way more about the Middle East and the whole world issues at the moment and what's

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driving them. H we're also going to touch on physical gold and of course Alex as a hedge fund manager previously

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and an expert in all things investment is bang on point with everyone else in my network. Physical gold is hugely

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important. This isn't financial advice. This is the opinion of all the best I can find out there. and pure gold in

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London I have a connection with. So you get looked after there if you want to further explore uh hedging against the

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future and the issues that are coming down the track and with terms of pension or if you have other net worth consider

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protecting at least some of it I would suggest. That's my opinion which I hold very strongly. But in any case let's get

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back to Alex and you ain't seen nothing yet. So, it's all to play for. But one

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other thing occurred to me with that story and your story, the seven bankers. I immediately recognized it as piv

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pivotal because that's largely been our problem for hundreds of years across all

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regions in the west and and elsewhere. So, it's a microcosm. Basically, once

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you understand the rule of the seven bankers and as you described what Putin somehow managed to do, you kind of know

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how everything in the world works. only mostly we don't manage to do what Putin did otherwise that's the game right but

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one thing occurred to me it's a little bit controversial I was a World War II buff for decades and I thought I knew

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nearly everything about World War II uh and I realized in the last year or two I

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was absolutely filled as to the drivers to your point who actually drove World

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War II who was funding it who was orchestrating all the moves but your

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story there there was a certain Austrian nasty man. Ironically, it almost parallels

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uh the Putin story because he in the 30s throughout the bankers essentially

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brought in a load of country building stuff and in fairness he was made time man of the year. I think in 37 or 1938

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the world actually officially acknowledged that he was rebuilding Germany in a a miraculous form and then

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all the bad things happened. But I also found out and I think it's historical record that Churchill and the US

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purposefully avoided any peace or accord with that Austrian guy. In fact they

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would if anything go him and I think he had made around 10 or 15 efforts to

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pleate them and reassure them and all of them were rebuffed. So it seems in a way

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that the world or the oligarchies wanted them to cause some chaos and would

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benefit from that in the long run. That that's the way it seems to me. And if he hadn't made all those mistakes and done

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terrible things and all that stuff, he could have pulled off some kind of Putin

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and Russia thing maybe. H but obviously terrible things happened and it was all a disaster and 50 million people died.

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Absolutely. I I acknowledge that but it looks like he was also almost

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encouraged to go down that path. I mean what do you think of that?

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uh he was absolutely encouraged to go down all that path and we know that from uh we know that from the way he came to

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power and then we know that from the way the World War II started and the way the World War II started

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well you know he got he got support for uh annexation of Austria 1937

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and then you know the uh Munich 1938 episode that's the one that's very very

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widely misunderstood But basically um

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you know the way the way we are being taught uh conventionally in our history curriculum is that you know Chamberlain

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tried to prevent war and that he thought that he would appease Hitler by letting

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him take uh how do you call it Sudetan Sudetan lands

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in in the Czech Republic. And uh the truth of the matter is

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completely different and that is that uh Chamberlain together with a very small

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cabal of uh the British foreign policy establishment was actually orchestrating

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Hitler's takeover of uh Czechoslovakia and they were doing it by uh encouraging

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Hitler to to uh take Czechoslovakia and on the other hand by encouraging

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Czechoslovakia to stand down and not defend themselves. And so

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Chamberlain and Lord Halifax and a couple of these people were going back

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and forth uh for for months uh making sure that uh Hitler takes

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Czechoslovakia in a peaceful way because they he didn't want to fight Czechoslovakia and making sure that Edward Bennish does

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not raise mobilize the army. Edward Benish at the time was president of Jugoslovakia

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uh to make sure that he doesn't mobilize uh the the military and mount defense

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because at that time it was perfectly well understood by by everybody involved

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that uh German Vermacht was no match for the Czech military.

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uh Czech military was superior to Hitler's Vermach in 1938 on on all

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measures other than air force and then to take Sudentland they had to you know

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they would have to go and conquer a mountainous terrain where the checks had

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um 45 defenses and hundreds of bunkers

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lining the roads. So, you know, the the German general staff thought that

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Hitler's orders to go into Czechoslovakia were suicidal. In fact, uh they were planning to

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assassinate Hitler and they were so they had three three ways to diffuse the

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situation. One was they were appealing to Great Britain because at the time, you know, Britain was like the United

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States today. Everybody was deferring to London and everybody tried to manage their affairs by coordinating with with

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London. And so uh they they tried to do that and

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then they they uh they plan to uh try to talk Hitler out of attacking

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Czechoslovakia. And if both those initiatives fail, they were going to

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assassinate Hitler. And they had a they had a date set for for that for that to happen. And so Chamberlain has been able

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to uh shield Hitler from his own general staff and he's been able to uh get the

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checks to um stand down and not defend themselves. So the result of it was they

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had this Munich conference in which they basically signed over uh the uh uh

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not Bohemia the the Sudet and Deutseland Sudetan land to Hitler and then you know

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Hitler went in without any opposition you know the Hitler's troops went into

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Sudetan Germany without any troops and then they just continued going on and

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took all of uh Bohemia And then later they added the rest and

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then September 1939 it was it was already already turn Poland's turn but

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by then they realize that they have no control over Hitler and so this is where

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you know uh they the the the partnership let's call it the friendship between the

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uh the British uh foreign policy establishment and Hitler uh

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fell apart and then You know, you saw Chamberlain, his government fell and and Churchill

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took over, but it was uh it was not at all what the what is presented to us.

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Now, uh I think it's you know, Hitler has been their creation since the get-go, since the early 20s. And so,

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they've been they've been cultivating him. They've been uh preparing him for his roles. uh they've been uh you know

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in you know they've been man they've been kind of managing Germany as well because you know Germany was desperate

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for uh investment funds. They were practically under an embargo uh under

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trade sanctions and the western banking uh cabal would not give any financial

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aid to Germany until Hitler won the elections in 1933.

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until he became the chancellor in 1933. And then they said like ah yes all these

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credits practically massive amounts of credits for Germany

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which is why you know now uh the uh how do you call it the the the credit started flowing and the German economy

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started rebounding. Uh yes, he got rid of some bankers, but the

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the main bankers, which was his the the the head of the Reichkes Bank, Helmer

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Shakt, uh he didn't get rid of him well until

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much much later. And Helmer Shak was working in very close cooperation with

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Montagorman who was the the head of the Bank of England and with Benjamin Strong

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who was the chairman of the Federal Reserve Bank in New York. And so uh this

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is where the the this is where actually the the the German policy was formed.

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And then there was a very very heavy corporate support by you know Ford and

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Standard Oil and and US Steel and all these huge corporations that helped

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German economy developed but it developed around the rearmament process. So, you

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know, the the credits flooded into German economy, but not for the civilian

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uses, but for these uh huge corporate cartels that were producing steel and energy and

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explosives and armaments and everything that was needed for the

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war that they were preparing. And you know, Hitler was their Zalinski

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basically. Exactly. And you know Churchill as well which I always viewed as a

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straightforward hero you know because why would I not that's what everything turns out he was a scumbag right there

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that is the hilarious thing it's the exact opposite of what you actually grew

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to believe through propaganda and uh it's a version of always accuse your

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enemy of what you yourself are doing. I mean everything here is a double think but the funny thing was Churchill I

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didn't realize he had very little money after his naval roles or whatever but he

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ran a full household with staff and a huge house now I don't know exactly who but he was well funded as well by the

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usual sorts you know and then he refused to defuse uh the Austrian guy I mean I

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think like I said 13 or 15 pushes from Germany to kind of hey let's let's get a

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cap on this whole thing. Apparently there were loads of offers but demonstraably

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Churchill would not even respond to any and the same with the Americans. So although the money was flowing from the

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UK and America to fuel the war from all the parties you mentioned

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on the other hand the strategy was to keep fueling them and not allow peace to

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potentially break out. So peace was obviously a problem, a big problem. They

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wanted their war, right? I mean, that's the way I see it now. And that has the very very uh

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interesting parallels to what we see today. Yes. You know, it's it's almost exactly the

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same thing. You know, obviously the the person the the the the the characters are different, the the countries are

34:16

different, but the principles, the the the the incentives

34:21

and the and the vested interests are practically the same. You know, the the

34:27

names of corporations are different, but it's it's basically all the same. And

34:32

then, you know, once you understand that and then you go like, "Oh gosh, you know, what about World War I? Oh gosh,

34:38

look. It's it's practically the same there, too. And then all the wars before

34:44

that and before that and and then you go centuries and centuries and centuries back and you realize that certain

34:51

certain principles always uh remain constant

34:59

and it's it's some kind of a system of incentives that is shaping that you know like if

35:06

you look at today and you realize that this war in Ukraine is is completely

35:11

insane that um it's been lost, but that European

35:19

leaders can't give up. They they just are

35:24

clamoring for war to continue. I mean, we even had this little cabal, a little

35:30

ad hoc think tank that came together uh called um

35:36

what were they called? Um Project Alchemy. Project Alchemy and you

35:42

know they they even put together some kind of a policy paper in which they

35:48

keep accentuating it's very important to keep Ukraine fighting. we have to keep Ukraine fighting. And then now you

35:55

understand how all those peace initiatives where you know the in in March at the end of March of 2022 the

36:02

Russians and the Ukrainians were on the verge of signing a peace agreement and

36:08

that the Ukrainian government people were opening champagne bottles because they thought like okay the war is over.

36:15

We're you know it's finished. We're going to be neutral and the Russians are going to withdraw to before to the

36:23

position before 20 24th February 2022.

36:28

And then, you know, Boris Johnson lands in Kiev and he's like, "You're not signing anything. Fight it out."

36:35

And so the war goes on and 1.7 million Ukrainian men die. And you ask yourself,

36:42

what was wrong with that piece? How was that piece worse than what we have now?

36:48

And why won't they give up even though they should, you know, like anybody with

36:54

with two brain cells uh can tell that the the war has been lost, but instead

37:00

of giving up, they're doubling down and they're doubling down again and they're doubling down more.

37:07

And then you understand that it's a it's always the same thing. They their system

37:15

is their system completely depends on them conquering uh new colonies and taking in

37:26

more collateral because the uh the banking system and the

37:32

institutions that they control um run on fraudulent money.

37:39

It's a Ponzi scheme and a Ponzi scheme can only remain stable as long as it

37:46

continues to grow. So you have to continue to issue more and more credit.

37:51

Your balance sheet always has to grow. By the way, this is why we have this obsess obsession with GDP growth, right?

38:00

Because even even when a society is at a high level of productivity, standard of

38:05

living, um prosperity, it still has to grow. It always has to grow like 2% 3%

38:12

4% 5% whatever it be. But it has to keep growing. And if it not, if it's not growing, then oh my god, we have to do

38:18

something. It must grow. Why? Because this whole system is based on a Ponzi scheme that has to keep issuing more and

38:25

more and more credit in order to remain stable. And what do you need to to issue more credit? You need more collateral.

38:32

So that means that you can't let the Russians keep their natural wealth for

38:38

themselves. You have to take it. It has to become our collateral. And they've got 75 trillion of it. And gosh, just

38:45

imagine how many loans we could issue if that that natural resource wealth could

38:52

be turned into our collateral. And Vladimir Putin won't let us have it, which is why we think he is uh, you

38:59

know, irredeemably evil. And it's also why we thought that Boris was awesome

39:04

because, you know, the the the gates of Troy were open and we could have we

39:12

could do whatever we wanted with Russia. And then Vladimir Putin said, "So, sorry, no mass, you know, which is why

39:19

we hate him and why which is why we want another Yelin or Zalinski or uh, you know, um, uh,

39:28

Gu new new guy uh, to take over and to let us have their natural resources.

39:36

That's why and and and so they can't give up because if the Ponzi scheme

39:41

comes to an end, it implodes as all Ponzi schemes do. And so they will, you

39:47

know, they will sacrifice Ukraine. They will sacrifice all of Europe in order to

39:54

preserve their Ponzi scheme. Yeah, absolutely. When all else fails, they take you to war. Exactly. But

40:01

that's only one part of it. So the bootin example and I'm glad you came back and and touched back on that. It is

40:08

truly a microcosm. It's like fractals that scenario just apply it to

40:14

everything pretty much and now you know root cause and now you're correct. And you know it's a good segue into the

40:20

second bullet point. I'm only on the second one. We'll speed up a bit, but this is sup this is superb, Alex,

40:26

because I really want people. We need to frame it and describe it in

40:32

such a way that it really is simple for any lay person to grasp the enormity of

40:37

what we're saying. And everyone needs to grasp this and understand it and understand the legacy media. It's

40:43

comical at this stage, Alex. Nearly everything in the legacy media is largely nonsense or propaganda. I'm

40:51

astonished. I flick through it occasionally just to amuse myself. It it's it is astonishing. But we'll get

40:57

now to the network and I like that name. People say Cabal, people say the blob,

41:03

but I love the network and it goes back to a book I got recently from Joe Plumber and he summarized tragedy and

41:11

hope from Carol Quigley from the 1960s, an enormous tome uh which covers load of

41:18

history. But in there Quigley who worked with the network the people were talking

41:23

about and he was meant to keep his mouth shut and then he published tragedy and hope and it wasn't an expose of the

41:30

network you know but it had pieces of truth about them throughout it and he

41:36

was meant to never tell anyone a word of this so the book was pulled after 8,000 copies the publisher destroyed the

41:43

plates you know and eventually it came out bootleg and Quigley had lawyers

41:48

against them. But obviously the network had such power they picked up the phone and his book was gone. But Joe Plumber

41:55

has written a synopsis of the important aspects of Quigley's book and it's an

42:02

astonishing read and I'm going to put the link down below guys. Download it and read it. It's free. But the network

42:09

uh Alex broadly who are the network because it's clear from tragedy and hope

42:15

I'd say it's the most accurate around. It's kind of starts mainly in the modern

42:20

times with uh Ceil Roads who had the vision right to have a world completely

42:27

controlled by the elite. No conspiracy theory. It's all documented. And then he handed over to Milner and the Milner

42:34

group. And he said Milner basically he said is my blood brother. He fully entrusted him with the vision. Milner

42:41

was committed. And then you have this whole crown kind of city of London, UK

42:49

powerful network that eventually became a network that encompassed Wall Street

42:54

and the American deep state if you want to call it. And of course all the great banking families, many of them named in

43:02

tragedy and hope. Is this is this getting towards like what the network is? It's a meta

43:10

tribe of oligarchs. That's why it's kind of hard to to get right to the guy at

43:15

the top. There isn't really a guy at the top. It's all of what I said and more. Yeah. Uh yes. Look, I I read tragedy and hope

43:23

and I read it very carefully. And in fact, this whole story about appeasement, I reconstructed it from

43:29

Carol Quigley and with some subsequent research by um the guy who wrote um

43:37

Conjuring Hitler. That's that's a masterpiece. His name is Guido Antonio Preparata.

43:43

Okay. And that book is not as not as long, but it's it's it's like dense.

43:48

It's like completely fluffy and it like blows your mind. So from those two

43:53

books, I reconstructed the what actually happened in 1938 in in Munich. Anyway,

44:00

so basically uh Carol Quigley, I believe, uh that he gave us the keys.

44:07

uh he just couldn't come out exactly and give it away

44:15

because it would be too you know the it would have been spotted straight

44:21

away. So he put it in a into a book that's like 13,400 pages long and then

44:27

you have to read it very carefully but it's a lot is there a lot is there and

44:32

uh I will I will read to you I have this in front of me the maybe the key quote

44:39

which which tells you what we're up against and the one so this is this is the key

44:45

quote from Carol Quigley and I think many people are already familiar by this but he says that the powers of financial

44:52

Capitalism had a far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world

44:57

system of financial control in private hands, able to dominate the political

45:03

system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. The growth of

45:09

financial capitalism made possible a a centralization of world economic control

45:15

and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and direct injury

45:22

of all other economic groups. And so this quote

45:27

when you take when you keep that in mind and you look at what happened in Russia in the 1990s that's it's exactly what

45:35

happens. And then you you also find out that these people like Mikall Korovski

45:40

and these other oligarchs that they were not just you know uh Russian tycoons who

45:48

emerged because they were very capable and you know aggressive young um

45:55

reformers as they were presented in the media uh in the west. they were

46:00

handpicked trustees uh

46:07

who were serving the needs of the foreign financial interests and so

46:13

Mikall Korovski was a trustee for Jacob Rothchild's interests in Russia uh

46:22

George Soros was there uh involved very prominently Edmund Saffra and and a

46:28

number of a number of high-profile Western bankers. But, you know, when you say that there's nobody at the top, I

46:36

think that there's somebody at the top necessarily because, you know, this is,

46:42

you know, these are uh these are networks of power, and you're right to call it a network. These are

46:49

networks of power that operate outside of the rule of law. So they're not bound

46:56

by uh uh lawful institutions. This is like um law of the jungle.

47:03

It it functions like like a mafia um like a mafia business, like a mafia organization, which means that somebody

47:10

necessarily has to be at the top to enforce the order. You know, you can't have democracy at that level. So in in

47:17

everything that I've read so far, it always emerges that this name Rothchild comes up as as the people who

47:27

seemingly wield the most power and then everybody else is uh kind of in a in a

47:34

subordinate position to them. And I think that when things are going well

47:41

that they get along and they work as a club and you know I'm in charge but you have

47:50

your own susant there and you have your own you know you dominate your own but

47:56

when things get difficult when the system comes to a crisis then you see

48:01

that you might have civil wars there uh between these bankers and I think that

48:06

we're living in a period when these civil wars are erupting again.

48:12

And it seems to me that the uh American bankers

48:18

uh feel that they no longer have to be subordinated to the to the British

48:24

bankers. And I think that part of what we see today might be uh that civil war. Um of

48:33

course we don't know anything about this. We can just uh look at where smoke, you know, which orifice produces

48:41

the smoke and then we can just try to kind of um wonder what what actually

48:46

happened behind the the closed walls. But you know there must be there must be

48:51

top of the hierarchy because otherwise the whole system you know it'll be like

48:57

you have a pack of dogs. There's always going to be a top dog and if there isn't a top dog the other dogs are going to

49:03

fight to the death until one emerges as the top dog and then they'll be at peace.

49:08

Yeah. And that's the lead dog kind of principle. Absolutely. you know, a slight variant on that to allow for not

49:16

one kingpin. To your mafia analogy, there's a bunch of major families and

49:22

each of them sure has the dawn, but maybe there isn't a single one, but but

49:28

there's certainly a cluster of key lead dogs.

49:33

And the beautiful elegance of that is because we're talking about families, right? Banking families, mafia families.

49:39

There's a family element to it. And you know, I was going to my next bullet point. This is fantastic, Alex. This is

49:46

a one-stop shop for everyone to know how the world works. There's no question about that in my mind. Um, I was going

49:52

to say Russia Ukraine mess as the next thing to cover, but we've largely covered that and everyone listening

49:58

knows what that's about now. Uh, unequivocally, 100% knows what that's about and it's nothing like the media

50:05

tell us, of course. And then the next one I was going to go on to was of course to be current and topical the

50:11

Middle East mess. Now obviously Iran uh is a no-brainer target and a massive

50:18

prize for its resources to your point about the bankers want the collateral. Uh but also there's a bigger picture

50:25

with the Middle East because there's the craziness of what's going on with the Zionism and Israel and all the other

50:31

kind of nutso stuff. So maybe just a few minutes on the whole Middle East side of

50:37

the mess, but it's connecting right back to the same people, I guess. Yeah, it does. And we can we can go

50:43

straight back to the creation of Israel or or you know, for the to the plans for the creation of Israel, which go back to

50:50

I think 1870s, maybe even sooner, maybe even earlier. But let's say that uh if

50:57

we fast forward to uh 1917, we had the famous Balffor declaration.

51:03

Now what was the Balffor declaration? It was basically a a very short letter

51:09

written by Arthur Bal Balfur who was the foreign secretary of the of the United

51:15

Kingdom to uh Lord um Lord Walter Rothschild.

51:23

Okay. And basically it said that his majesty's government will support the formation of a homeland

51:30

for the Jews blah blah blah. Okay. Um so

51:36

uh Walter Rothschild's son was Nathan Rothschild who was very very close

51:42

friend with Arthur Balffor and who hung out at the foreign office practically

51:48

non-stop. So, you know, it was like, "Hey, dude. Um, I I I really need you to write this

51:56

letter to my daddy, uh, saying this." And then this other

52:01

guy says like, "Sure. Uh, yeah, you got it. We'll do that." Why did they need to

52:07

create a homeland? Because the Rothschild felt particularly um

52:13

sentimental about the Jews having their homeland. Absolutely not. Uh we have you

52:19

know uh both Nathan Rochel and uh I think Balfur was part of it too. Uh

52:27

I'm not 100% sure but Nathan Rochel definitely was part of the roundt group

52:34

uh led by uh Alfred Milner whom you mentioned uh who was the you know um

52:42

ideological heir to um oh to Rhdesia roads

52:48

roads yeah road yeah to roads um and so uh

52:54

in a at a later stage, you know, the the alumni of the of the of the of the

53:00

roundt group uh spoke about why it was necessary to create Israel. And we're

53:06

talking about 1920s, 1930s before Israel was actually created. And they basically

53:12

what they were saying is in order for Britain to remain as a maritime empire

53:19

uh to remain viable, they needed to seed that region, meaning the Palestine, they

53:26

needed to seed that region with a particularly um uh patriotic stock, you

53:33

know. So they needed somebody who would be practically fanatically devoted to uh

53:40

living in that region, holding on to that region to be their beach head with

53:46

which to control the region. Not only because they already knew that it was very rich with energy resources, but

53:53

also because it was right there at the do doorstep of the Suez Canal and at the

54:01

at at the at the very crossroads of trade routes and future pipelines

54:07

between the east and west and that region has always been extremely important for that very

54:14

reason. And you know the Roman Empire the Roman Empire was drawing most of the

54:20

most tribute from the the Levant from the Eastern Mediterranean.

54:26

And you know once you once you understand that and once you understand that Roman Empire was also an empire of

54:33

money lending oligarchs and once you understand that King Herod was one of

54:40

their clients who was uh using the

54:47

the loans from the Roman uh money lenders from the bankers for these

54:52

megalomaniacal construction projects everywhere. and they had to service those loan by squeezing his own

54:58

population. Then you start to get a very very interesting new perspective on what actually happened uh back there at that

55:06

time, you know, and then who Jesus Christ was. You know, I was going to say Herod went after the

55:13

Jesus Christ, but Jesus Christ ultimately what was the big thing he did? He kicked the money lenders out of the temple. So he was against the

55:20

bankers. That's probably one of his finest attributes or qualities. And that's why

55:26

the anti-Christian thing, the anti-Christian thing is off the wall as you well know, Alex. It's the only

55:32

religion in the world that's being attacked left, right, and center, which kind of fits in with that.

55:38

Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But that's also the the the the one dimension in history that we're meant to never focus on and

55:46

we're meant, you know, basically the way they tell us the story is like, oh, you know, the the the Romans had many gods

55:53

and the Jews had one god, so they all just went crazy and started killing each other. You know, they they they just couldn't tolerate that. It wasn't like

56:00

that. The Romans lent money to their clients and they wanted it paid back with interest. That was the that was the

56:08

the the moving principle of history even back then. Anyway, back to the Middle

56:14

East. So today you the Israel has been

56:19

fulfilling its role very um very faithfully. It's been keeping the region

56:24

destabilized. has been keeping all the regimes uh surrounding Israel

56:31

um let's say um weak and perpetually on edge uh much

56:37

more easier to control for the the United States for Britain for for you know for the western powers um and uh

56:47

the challenge now is that uh the the the most powerful regional player is Iran

56:54

which is not on board with the western n empire. So what they need to do is they need to regime change Iran. And uh so

57:02

now we're hearing about Iran's nuclear program, blah blah blah blah blah. Nobody cares about Iran's nuclear

57:09

program. That is the justification for military intervention. What they want is

57:15

a regime change in Iran because they need

57:20

again uh a regime that's going to be run by

57:25

Boris Yelton Huangaido Vimer Zalinski

57:31

Shah Baklavi I don't know what what the current guy's name is but you know they

57:36

need to put in their muppet in there so that their muppet will open the gates of Troy so that they can take over the

57:43

collateral. so that that collateral can become the you know the asset on Western bank's

57:50

balance sheet and then they can loan out uh money to JP Morgan no sorry to uh

57:56

Exon Mobile uh Royal Dutshell BP uh to

58:01

go and take over Iranian oil and it's not because we need the oil we can have

58:06

the oil by just simply buying it from the Iranians the important part is that

58:11

all those corporations ations that go and develop Iran are clients of Goldman

58:18

Sachs and JP Morgan and Cityroup and Royal um Bank of Scotland and so forth

58:24

that all the money ultimately uh gets sucked into uh

58:30

City of London, Wall Street, Paris always gets some crumbs off the

58:36

table to keep the to keep the French on board, but that's that's the whole name

58:42

of the game. So, it's exactly the same, exactly the same as in Ukraine. Same

58:48

players, same moving principles, same incentives,

58:54

um, and same reasons why this Western system

59:00

generates neverending perpetual wars. Yeah. And you know, I just want to say

59:06

something not self-edifying, but I've spent nearly 40 years in root cause uh complex problem solving, you know, for

59:13

what it's worth. And I was damn good at it. But I've realized over the decades

59:18

that psychology, even though that's seen as very complex, human psychology, oh, that's really complex. That's not just

59:24

like physics. Uh no, you can root cause and fix people and even large groups of

59:30

people and management issues with the same tools. And I'll tell you something, Alex. What you're describing and we're

59:35

talking about, uh, every complex problem after you've put together all the pieces

59:41

and all the smoke and all the data, always every complex problem that's

59:47

impossible to see what's going on during it, and it's very stressful. Afterwards, there's always one thing that happens.

59:54

You can see it all clearly, and you could actually explain it in an elevator in retrospect when you know everything.

1:00:00

what we're talking about this method, this system, it's so far from a

1:00:05

conspiracy theory. It's the opposite side of the universe. It's actually perfectly logical system to have money

1:00:12

and power and dominance over your species for the select number of people

1:00:17

and it's been the same for all of human history. The mechanisms are the same. The propaganda is the same. The tools

1:00:22

are the same. And I hope people realize as they listen, they can just see the with clarity. I hope that's what we're

1:00:28

achieving here. Now, the last bullet, which wasn't on my list, but I'm adding

1:00:34

it now in my mind, I'm surprised I forgot it, is the whole China thing, and that'll be it. And then we'll get to a

1:00:39

message of hope as to where we're going and why we're going to win. Uh, but just before China, there was one last

1:00:45

thought. Oh, yeah. I might put the clip in here. I was jaw-dropped. Uh, even

1:00:52

though I shouldn't have been surprised when I saw around six months ago a 1986 video of an angry Joe Biden practically

1:00:59

slamming his fist as they sent billions uh to Israel. And he said and repeated

1:01:06

it twice for emphasis. He said, "If there was not an Israel, we'd have to

1:01:11

create an Israel." And he looked glowering at the audience in the Congress or wherever. And then he

1:01:17

repeated it again. He said, "If there was not an Israel, we'd have to create

1:01:22

an Israel for our interests in the Middle East." There's no apology to be made. None. It is the best $3 billion

1:01:31

investment we make. Were there not in Israel, the United States of America would have to invent

1:01:37

an Israel to protect her interest in the region. The United States would have to

1:01:42

go out and invent an Israel. and everyone just said and then all the

1:01:48

money was approved. It's just a delicious little proof of what you're saying. But we'll get on to China, the

1:01:54

final step. And here's what I've come to understand, and it may have been from watching one of your other interviews.

1:02:01

I'm not sure if it's you, but basically Russia, the banking powers gave Russia

1:02:07

their 1917 revolution because there's nothing better to control a country as a

1:02:12

vassal state than to give it communism and then just hold the the reigns from above and strip mine it. Now, Russia

1:02:20

kind of went in hard communism, Soviet Union, and became kind of out of bounds,

1:02:25

but the people at the top just say, you know, we'll wait. Might be a generation or two. when they did, and they came in

1:02:31

the late 80s to strip mine it. They're very patient. Um, but then Russia

1:02:37

because of its long 1200 year old history sort of of culture and

1:02:42

patriotism and belief in themselves, they managed to pull off a coup against the banking families as you described.

1:02:49

Now, China, I believe Rockefeller and Rothschild were over there with universities in the 30s, 40s, and 50s

1:02:56

just slipping them a stinky wink and feeding them a bit of communism. And then that took off in a big way. But

1:03:04

then eventually, it looks like Xi Ping, China's kind of Putin now. and they're

1:03:09

playing the game, but they've got enough chineseess going back thousands of years that they know what was done to them and

1:03:15

they ain't playing anymore, but they're playing along to not get, I don't know, really a massive war thing going. Is

1:03:22

China kind of analogous and all and the same mechanisms used?

1:03:27

Um, well, it's they're not they're not the same

1:03:34

mechanisms. that is they are the same mechanisms but they're not you being used for the same

1:03:40

uh ends okay and you know what one thing that I've understood by researching how

1:03:47

how the banking system works how the corporate system works is that it's not

1:03:54

banking is not inherently and inevitably evil that it's the evil comes out as a result

1:04:02

of choices that are made by people in charge same thing with multinational corporations. So the the cultural

1:04:09

element there is very very important and in in this sense the the western empires

1:04:18

the ones that have been fermented by uh western banking dynasties you know from

1:04:24

from the Venetians on and it was the same thing in in in Rome and arguably

1:04:30

there's a there's a there's there's some kind of a continuity there that goes through Vatican you know Rome Vatican to

1:04:35

Venice after crusades uh there's there's a cultural element there that is that makes that is using

1:04:43

those mechanisms and that is using them in a very pathological or pathogenic

1:04:49

ways. Okay. uh I think that

1:04:54

Russian approach, Chinese approach are very different and we can even you know for people who don't believe it you can

1:05:00

even look go through history and you can see how many times did the Russians or the Chinese colonize anywhere. Did they

1:05:08

ever develop wholesale uh slave trade? They didn't. Uh did they build large

1:05:15

empires that went beyond the their you know their um immediate uh regions? They

1:05:25

didn't um are they are they running a system that generates poverty today? you know,

1:05:33

the the kind that we were talking about earlier, you know, like uh Britain when

1:05:40

it was at the zenith of power, British people lived a miserable life.

1:05:45

You know, Charles Dickens wrote novels about this. Uh Upton Sinclair wrote wrote novels about the same in the

1:05:52

United States. Uh today's cities in the United States are are, you know, are are

1:05:58

a disaster. If you look at China today in the last 40 years they lifted 850

1:06:04

million people out of poverty. uh their approach is very very different and I

1:06:10

think the the direction is given

1:06:17

on on the cultural basis you know so there's there's this uh toist uh

1:06:23

confusion uh dimension that

1:06:28

that determines how the how the policy is shaped

1:06:33

and uh I think that the clash between the western bankers and China occurred

1:06:39

maybe even before Xiinping. I'm not sure. Uh but it it definitely crystallized with Xinping. That is that

1:06:46

you know election of Xiinping was the moment where the western bankers realized they had been had because what

1:06:52

happened in uh in August of 1971, Richard Nixon severed the convertibility

1:06:59

of US dollars to gold. And from that moment, I think that they knew that they

1:07:05

were going to sacrifice the United States, that they were that the dollar was going to collapse. It was only a

1:07:10

matter of time. And that the United States is going to be uh too weak. It's

1:07:16

going to become too weak to be, you know, the hegemon the

1:07:22

the force in the world that's going to be able to um guarantee their empire.

1:07:28

And I think that they designated China as the next global hegemon which is why

1:07:35

Nixon and Kissinger you know almost straight after they severed the convertability of the dollar they went

1:07:42

they started going to China to open up China and then they started building up China and you know they you're right

1:07:48

they they had certain foundations and certain connections there because you know Mao for example was a was a was a

1:07:56

Yale man you know he was he was backed by the Yale Yale University networks and

1:08:02

he was even a publisher of of of um some kind of a newsletter uh for the uh you

1:08:10

know the Chinese Yale um

1:08:15

schools. I I I knew the name. I don't I don't know the names anymore of these of these institutions and these schools,

1:08:22

but he was definitely uh recruited and cultivated by the the the American

1:08:29

establishment. Uh I think that the Chinese concluded that in order for them to avoid uh going

1:08:36

through further uh centuries of humiliations that they needed to absorb

1:08:41

the American uh the western system that they needed to bring the westerners on board and um

1:08:49

play along, make them believe that they were going to be their next hijgemon and and serve

1:08:55

their their agendas and then to you know not not in order to actually serve them but in in order to

1:09:01

behead them. And you will see in the in the statements from people like uh like Evelyn Rothschild and Jacob Rothschild

1:09:08

and George Soros and so forth that they were all very excited about developing China about transferring their seed of

1:09:15

power to China. Uh George Soros was openly talking that the China was going

1:09:22

to own the uh the future of the globalization process. And

1:09:29

you you know like if you look it up almost almost exactly in those world words you'll find interviews uh where

1:09:37

they say things like this. So they were really looking to China as their next global hegemon and as the next model of

1:09:44

governance for the world but then uh after Xihinping took over uh they they

1:09:50

had a complete turnaround. they they realize that they've been had and now they don't have another hegemon because

1:09:58

China is looking to build the future of humanity on a completely different uh

1:10:03

set of principles. So it's not going to be permanent warfare but permanent

1:10:09

peace. And you know this is why China is being demonized 24/7 every day in the

1:10:17

west because they want to convince us that China is the devil that we we have

1:10:22

to go to war against China and destroy them because China has now become

1:10:29

a risk to their system.

1:10:34

Yes. And that's ex and that's where there are quite a lot of parallels with with Russia and Putin. It's not exactly

1:10:41

the same. Different cultural stuff, different ploy were used, but they've kind of ended up a bit like Russia.

1:10:49

They're nationalistic. They look after their own people. They want prosperity.

1:10:54

They don't want, you know, perpetual wars. And they've never really col

1:10:59

colonized majorly. and they simply don't have the cultural makeup of our western

1:11:04

sociopaths and all the families we we talked about. So in a sense now enemies

1:11:11

enemy is your friend. Well like I have no belief that China if they rule the world uh would have me doing anything

1:11:18

other than a janitor's role you know and why would they? They look after their own. But at the same time, Russia now

1:11:26

and China are kind of indirectly very important allies for us who fight against the

1:11:33

sociopathic western kind of dominated system that we've talked about. That's

1:11:39

kind of the case. And the bricks, if the bricks weren't there to counter our

1:11:44

madmen, um, we'd be in a worse spot, I think.

1:11:50

Yeah, I do think so. And you know, you're always better off if there's competition in any field, you know. So

1:11:58

even if our pathological monsters have to reckon with some kind of competition,

1:12:04

some kind of a challenge to their power, uh they have to at the very least soften their their stance. You know, they have

1:12:11

to reduce the contrast between themselves and the other side. Otherwise, it becomes obvious to us to

1:12:17

say like, hey, how come life in China is uh is really good? and people can walk

1:12:22

safely down the streets and there are no drug addicts and needles everywhere and

1:12:27

their women don't get assaulted routinely and raped uh in public. Uh

1:12:33

whereas and then they live they have a very high standard of living and they support their government and they report

1:12:39

that they live happily and they feel free whereas here everything is

1:12:45

How come that you know can can somebody explain this to me? Why is it that we have these uh beautiful sacrosanked

1:12:53

democracies but it seems that we always keep getting a lot of what we don't want

1:12:59

but we can never have a lot of what we do want and vote for. Why is that? Can

1:13:05

somebody explain that to me? You know, you know, if if we have democracies, then we should be able to decide the the

1:13:12

you know, the policies and the and the direction of the development of our

1:13:17

societies. But we get always everything opposite of what we what we choose.

1:13:23

Whereas you know in Russia people are happy. People support Vladimir Putin. He has a very very high job approval

1:13:29

rating. The standard of living is very high. Uh the percentage of people who

1:13:34

report that they believe the country is moving in the right direction is very high. Uh over on our side it's it's

1:13:41

actually very low. they've been they've been now um uh contaminating those

1:13:47

statistics. You know, they're no longer um they no longer reflect what people

1:13:52

actually say, but a few years ago they did. And I think that figures from 2011,

1:14:01

2012, 2013 in the western European countries uh the

1:14:07

people who uh who thought that their country their countries were moving in the right direction was um in some cases

1:14:14

in the in the low teens, you know, like in France I think it was 11%, in Great

1:14:19

Britain it was like 13%. Um whereas in Russia it was it was close

1:14:25

to 60%. Uh so you know I think that we have to

1:14:31

acknowledge that something's not right in our house because if we don't acknowledge it we

1:14:38

can't fix it. And once we acknowledge it we have to diagnose it correctly. Otherwise we

1:14:43

waste energy on on um on false solutions.

1:14:48

And uh I I I think that you can't you know if you try to diagnose it and you

1:14:55

research you know you know you peel the layers of the onion you always end up getting to the to the money lending

1:15:01

oligarchy and then you understand that the money lending oligarchy is actually

1:15:07

uh above the the legally elected uh governments and that the legally elected

1:15:13

governments our governments are subordinated to the money lending oligarchies. and they do their bidding

1:15:19

obviously and that's actually an empirical fact. It's not that Alex Kramer is inventing it. That's an empir

1:15:26

empirical fact that was determined both in the United Kingdom and the United States in in uh in empirical studies.

1:15:34

And so this is a problem that we have to solve

1:15:39

because if we don't then we're surrendering our children into slavery.

1:15:46

You know, it's it's there's no two ways about it. This is not a small problem. This is a huge problem. And if anybody

1:15:53

needs like a visual about what what a society would look like if this oligarchic power goes unchecked, all you

1:16:00

have to look at how things turned out for the Western Roman Empire where you

1:16:05

had a complete collapse of society where you have complete collapse of markets

1:16:11

and we basically went back to the dark ages and the economy of barter where you

1:16:18

know concrete floors or tiled floors disappeared. appeared from the archaeological record for a few

1:16:24

centuries. Money disappeared. Um production of small uh of you know like

1:16:33

items of cheap items of broad use like nails and roof tiles and things like this they disappeared. So people went

1:16:40

back to living basically like like like stone stone age existence

1:16:45

you know like like nomads. They went back to basically pre-ivilizational times.

1:16:51

And this is what happens if oligarchic power is not checked. And then if you

1:16:58

want to know what happens if you do check oligarchic power, then you study

1:17:04

the contrast between Russia during the 1990s and Russia today and the man who

1:17:09

put oligarchs in their play pen and left them with their money to enjoy life. He

1:17:14

didn't kill them. He didn't arrest them other than Mikall Korovski. um he he didn't take away their toys and

1:17:21

you know they can focus on enjoying their life, eating good food, um buying nice cars, having nice women.

1:17:29

All they have to do is stay out of politics and that should be something for our oligarchs to consider as well.

1:17:36

Absolutely, Alex. But I I feel they they will need a little bit of persuasion

1:17:41

at this They might need some persu They might need some enhanced persuasion as well as enhanced interrogation.

1:17:49

Yeah. I mean they are I often said like the Kov flu nonsense that triggered the

1:17:55

massive insanity of the last few years with the trans and of course the mass

1:18:00

migration which is a disaster. I don't even need to tell you what's happening in Ireland and you know the UK. It is

1:18:07

shocking what they're destroying. They're destroying culture, history, um, sovereignty, nationality. It it's it's

1:18:13

it's it's a fire sail. Or not a fire, it's an inferno. It's crazy. But, you know, a

1:18:19

couple of quick things there before we move on to the future. Uh, the bright future for all of us. Uh, just one thing

1:18:25

people will say when you kind of painted China as a nice place, you know, they got cameras everywhere and everyone's

1:18:31

tracked and traced. So, there is that. Russia, I think, is a better example. We've all seen the videos of Russia and

1:18:37

uh Moscow and everything as you describe and but China and Russia share

1:18:42

something. No mass migration uh attack on their countries, you know, and

1:18:48

Poland, I think, and a couple European countries are getting fined by the EU because they don't want to destroy their

1:18:54

culture, history, and their their whole society with mass migration. But that's

1:18:59

a topic probably won't get into it, but it looks to me to be a major tool of the oligarchs in the west in the last couple

1:19:06

of years. I mean, it's and it's very clever because if you use mass migration

1:19:12

to undermine society, just like you attack the family, you bring in abortion, you attack religion, you

1:19:19

attack everything that keeps a society solid if you want to turn all the societies into one big blob for your

1:19:26

pleasure. So that's a whole topic, but getting on to the positive uh and where we go from here. I think

1:19:32

awareness is a massive thing. We might we might have a quick chat by the way first cuz you're a hedge fund manager

1:19:39

and you know all about investments and and everything. I actually see it like

1:19:45

my role during the Kov flu was to help people understand reality in order to

1:19:50

hedge for themselves and their families this new crazy world. But I've been banging on for years and yes, I do have

1:19:58

a relationship with Pure Gold in London. I know. But personally, I can say with

1:20:03

absolute 100% honesty, I see my role a

1:20:08

very important role to introduce people to physical gold. Whether through their pension if they don't have much money or

1:20:14

whether through money they have, especially high net worth. It's so important that people get a percentage

1:20:21

into physical gold to hedge against what's coming. I mean, what do you think about that one? I was worried that gold

1:20:27

in the last 6 months might correct, which I would not care about from 3,200 down to maybe 27. Pipenberg Matt uh the

1:20:36

gold guy, he said it best. He said, "I don't care care whether I keep accumulating at 32 or it goes to 27 or

1:20:42

it goes up to 36 where it is now." The important thing is we keep accumulating physical gold and silver and now Alex is

1:20:50

looking to me that there was no correction and after a long holding period or a penant a bull flag it seems

1:20:58

to be heading on up. What do you reckon about the importance of gold for people to shield themselves from some of the

1:21:06

the crap that's going on? Um so before I say that I just one

1:21:12

correction. I'm not a hedge fund manager. I used to be one. Uh so I'm a

1:21:17

former hedge fund manager. But you know uh that's it is very important for us to

1:21:23

try to um push back against their um agenda of

1:21:29

uh you will own nothing and you will be happy. So it's actually quite important for people to try to

1:21:37

preserve their assets and their purchasing power to the best extent possible because

1:21:44

you know as as I think it was Alexander Hamilton or somebody like that Benjamin Franklin I don't know who said that the

1:21:51

power over your uh existence amounts to a power over your will. So if they

1:21:57

manage to get you to owning nothing then they then they have you. So in that

1:22:02

sense I will agree with you that it's important to own uh some assets like gold for the transition that's ahead of

1:22:10

us and that transition could be very very um

1:22:16

very very difficult uh for many people. Uh we don't know what's going to happen.

1:22:21

We've never been uh at this point in history. But let's say that I I you know

1:22:27

I don't I don't necessarily um recommend hoarding gold uh

1:22:33

infinitely, but I do recommend having at least so much that it could

1:22:39

let's say an equivalent of at least several months of your living expenses.

1:22:45

So let's say six months of your living expenses you should own in physical gold

1:22:52

just in case it becomes necessary and also because 100%

1:22:58

the the the currency that we use today whether it's a pound or euro or dollar

1:23:04

or yen or whatever you you're using it's going to go to zero. That's a mathematical certainty. It's only a

1:23:10

question of time. Gold is not going to go to zero. So, in order for you to pre preserve some purchasing power,

1:23:17

uh you need to own some gold. If you can, you should own a little a plot of uh agricultural uh land. Uh and you

1:23:25

might think about diversifying into something like Bitcoin as well, silver,

1:23:32

other things. Now, if if we're going to talk about the price of gold and where it might go from here, uh I I I've

1:23:40

noticed something over the last 10 years or so, and that is that any any asset,

1:23:46

any security that starts to form an uptrend

1:23:52

has a certain tendency to go into a into a vertical

1:23:57

accelerated rally that can see the price go up. multiffold, not you know 10% 20%

1:24:06

50% but several fold. And I've seen that happen with with with cobalt with many

1:24:14

stocks with with Bitcoin and some other cryptocurrencies

1:24:19

uh with um things like palladium a couple of years

1:24:24

ago. Anyway, uh the Cocoa, for example, Coco, which has been

1:24:31

trading forever between $2 and $3,000 for, I don't know, 15 or 20 years, it was

1:24:38

always between, you know, $2,000 a ton and $3,000 a ton. And then

1:24:45

in the last two years, it hit, I think, $14,000. It just went into this

1:24:52

almost vertical climb. And I asked myself why why would that be? And I think that

1:24:58

maybe part of the explanation at least is in that we have now this huge

1:25:05

quantity of uh liquidity that's that exists in the so-called shadow banking

1:25:11

system. And shadow banking system is is um these

1:25:16

are institutions like hedge funds and pension funds and endowments and insurance companies. Let's say they are

1:25:23

financial institutions but unlike banks they cannot create money. So they have liquid investable assets that they

1:25:30

allocate to this or that asset but they can't create credit you know they can't

1:25:35

print money out of thin air unlike banks. Nevertheless uh in all the world the shadow banking

1:25:41

system adds up to something like $220 trillion.

1:25:47

So that's a lot. And if you take a market like gold, which I think

1:25:54

all of it, all of it, all of it in the world amounts to about $20 trillion.

1:26:02

So it's just one10enth of the shadow banking system. And then

1:26:07

if you reduce that gold market to just what's traded, that's only a small fraction of those $20 trillion because a

1:26:14

lot of that is like gold that's sitting physically in vaults somewhere. jewelry.

1:26:20

If you if you just go to the let's say phys to to to the to the market where

1:26:26

gold is traded daily, that's a that's a sliver of that market. I I don't know,

1:26:33

let's call it a trillion or two. And so you have

1:26:39

price discovery which is happening in this one or two trillion dollar market

1:26:46

and you have $220 trillion of liquid investable assets

1:26:52

that can impact the price of gold. And so when people see the price of gold

1:26:57

start to do this, it's enough that just some of those hedge fund managers,

1:27:03

pension fund managers, endowments that some of them just say like, hm,

1:27:09

gold is looking very strong these days. Maybe I will increase my allocation to

1:27:15

gold from 1% to 2%. And that can then create that vertical

1:27:23

hockey stick chart. Uh according to last information that I

1:27:29

have and that it's not so recent maybe it's a few years old like two or three years old most of these institutions in

1:27:35

the shadow banking system had zero allocation to gold. Zero.

1:27:41

So the amount of purchasing power compared to the quantity of of gold

1:27:48

that's available for for sale is is there there's a massive massive

1:27:53

imbalance. So for that reason, I wouldn't be surprised if we saw gold reach

1:28:03

$10,000 in the next two, three, five years, $20,000.

1:28:10

uh you can't really put a number and all these analysts that like boldly predict

1:28:16

oh the gold price might close at 3,800 this year or it might go to 4,000 this

1:28:24

year. I don't know I don't know on what basis they make those predictions but I've

1:28:30

been reading those predictions for the last 20 years and they you know that's a class of analysts that always makes a

1:28:36

prediction that's just above where the price of something is today. So you know if if when when like at the beginning of

1:28:43

this year when gold was trading at about $2,600 people were predicting that oh during

1:28:50

2025 it might go to $2,800 or even $3,000. Well, what? It's September now

1:28:56

and we're at 3,650. Did anybody predict it? Somebody must have, but you know,

1:29:01

most people were making these predictions that were maybe current price plus 100 bucks or 200

1:29:09

bucks depending how bold they actually feel. But there's no predicting this, you know. Uh you could say like like

1:29:16

with Bitcoin uh one day it's trading at like 10,000 bucks, the next day well you

1:29:21

know couple of months later it's at 60,000 bucks. Uh is there any uh market

1:29:27

fundamentals that could possibly explain this? Nope, there isn't. accept that

1:29:33

there's so much money out there and it's chasing after

1:29:38

assets that will allow them to not get wiped out, you know, by inflation and by

1:29:43

by by government printing infinite amounts of currency. And and I'd have to

1:29:49

say I have my process for who I trust and listen to and I have around a dozen now including yourself of course in

1:29:56

macroeconomics and all these things and Rick Rule and Matt Pipenberg Christopher

1:30:01

Mullen from the technical traders who purely goes by price action and technicals not the macro we're talking

1:30:07

about but all of them pretty much were pretty bangon in their predictions for

1:30:13

gold over the period. But you're absolutely right CNBC and all this is just junk. they just keep adding on a

1:30:19

little when it's going up like a could do that. Um so absolutely and the

1:30:24

other key thing I suppose that people it'd be good to know I got heavy into this and one overriding driving factor

1:30:32

for me was 2019 with the bank for international settlements the head of

1:30:37

the snake the head of the head of the snake which Quigley earlier referred to the BIS it's to be the ruling kind of

1:30:45

central nexus for all of this crap well they certainly are and they move gold from I think tier 2C see right up to

1:30:52

tier one with the US sovereign debt 2019 once when I found that out and I found

1:30:58

out that central banks all over the world are buying like crazy and the other thing is that the gold price gone

1:31:03

up to 3600 from where it was at I don't know 1,800 when I got in. Um that's been

1:31:10

driven primarily by central bank buying. So you got to watch what the head of the

1:31:16

heads of the snakes are doing. Let's be fair. for the last hundreds of years, they've made everything happen that's

1:31:23

happening in the world, right? And if they're amassing gold and that alone is driving up the price and retail have

1:31:30

hardly even got in yet, never mind all the private equity and all the shadow banking. Your point, you can square your

1:31:38

point. No financial advice, no predictions, but it's such a no-brainer for me for people to hedge with a chunky

1:31:46

amount of that beautiful metal. I mean, I don't know. I truly believe it. But positive stuff besides taking care of

1:31:53

your family's finances in the way we just talked about. For me, awareness, it

1:31:59

might sound naive, but I keep telling people the only thing that can counter

1:32:04

these ultra powerful and they have all the money and the power currently. it's

1:32:10

beginning to crack and fail and there's infighting happening and they're losing against the bricks and they're losing in

1:32:16

Ukraine and they're losing in ways in the Middle East. Uh they're losing against China. So, we covered all the

1:32:22

headwinds they have, the so-called elite, they're kind of screwing up a lot now. They're getting desperate. But for

1:32:29

me, the only thing that will truly topple them and safeguard our children's future fundamentally is awareness of the

1:32:36

people. Currently we have a small minority of people who are aware. If you

1:32:42

double that or tripled and got up to 15 or 20% of people in the west broadly know what we're talking about and

1:32:48

understand it that would make a mark that would leave a mark. Is it your

1:32:53

belief that similarly that we just need awareness and a lot of the rest will

1:32:59

take care of itself over time? Uh yes absolutely that's the key. I

1:33:05

think uh we need to understand uh how the system works. Uh we need to

1:33:11

understand what the agenda is. We need to understand what their plans for us are. And we need to understand where

1:33:18

where that would take our children and their children, what what the reality of their life would be. And then there's no

1:33:25

question that everybody will resist this because it's it's a fate that could be

1:33:30

worse than death. uh and nobody would wish that to to to their children, even their enemy's

1:33:37

children. And so uh we we need to know this be and and that's also the reason

1:33:43

why a lot of what they do they do in secret or they try to mis disinform us

1:33:49

and mislead us about about it which is why they're so you know vexed and and

1:33:55

and hysterical about us having access to information on on social media and on

1:34:01

the internet and they want to shut it all down. But uh you know so far we're

1:34:07

in good shape. Um I read probably about a hundred years ago you know after after

1:34:13

the Federal Reserve was created in the United States one of these one of these

1:34:18

powerful money people said that maybe there's a few dozen people in the whole

1:34:24

world that understand how the money machine works. I think that today that's probably a

1:34:32

whole percentage of people. It may not be very high but even

1:34:38

even if even if a percentage as low as 2 3 5% of

1:34:44

people understand uh in very broad terms how the money

1:34:50

system works we are already in a good shape because from there comes the understanding of who exactly the enemy

1:34:56

is you know it's not the Chinese it's not the Russians it's not the Muslims it's the people who are uh in charge of

1:35:05

the of the credit issuance of the of the monetary system

1:35:10

of these big banks of the Bank of International Settlements and the central banks. They are the enemies.

1:35:17

They are the ones who have created the migration crisis. They are the ones who

1:35:22

orchestrated the the the the not just the COVID pandemic but all of the

1:35:28

previous ones before that you know that started with you know I don't know SARS MS 2003 and then they had one every year

1:35:36

or two so they keep doing these things and these are also the people who um

1:35:43

who fment the wars who instigate the wars everywhere around the world which is why you know we we live in this

1:35:49

Orwellian world of non-stop neverending warfare and shifting alliances and

1:35:56

shifting friends and and and enemies. And I think it's it's time to end this

1:36:01

system. You know, it's had its run for about, you know, a few centuries, let's call it 500, 600 years. But it's come to

1:36:09

a point where, you know, if we don't push back, if we don't demand a change of course, then we are surrendering our

1:36:16

children to slavery basically. And I don't I don't think I'm e even exaggerating. That's that's really what

1:36:22

it is. I know for a fact that's big claim. I

1:36:28

know you're not exaggerating. And that's what's driven me really since I got engaged in all this thing. Uh primarily

1:36:34

through the trigger event of the Kov flu nonsense. Uh and then over the years I I discovered everything we're talking

1:36:41

about from people like you and Dr. Nordinger and others. And now I know it's the most important thing any of us

1:36:47

can do is help achieve what you just described. A percentage of people aware of the Babylonian money magic of knowing

1:36:54

who ultimately truly technically is driving all of our problems and then

1:37:00

addressing it. Um, so that was a great way to wrap up. Alex, I've kept you way longer than we agreed at the start, but

1:37:07

I think this is a master class. I truly think so. I'm going to go straight and start putting it together now. And I

1:37:14

plan on doing a series of maybe weekly live streams with Dr. Jakob Nording, I'm

1:37:21

sure you're aware of, and his fantastic work on Rockefeller and all the all of

1:37:27

what we're talking about, but a little more contained. we went broader and uh I'm going to do a weekly with him where

1:37:34

we go through tragedy and hope chapter by chapter and reveal the full picture of the world and how it works towards

1:37:41

what what you also share with me a hope that we can get people to understand this and who the enemy is and we might

1:37:48

if you're available h bring you in occasionally as a special guest of honor into some of those perhaps

1:37:56

that would be with pleasure I of course thank Thank you so much, Alex. You're doing a sterling job uh getting the

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message out there and uh it's a joy to watch. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you for the

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invite and uh warm greetings from Croatia to your viewers and listeners.

1:38:13

Beautiful Croatia. Thank you so much. Thank you. Take care. Bye-bye. That'll do it, folks. I'm going to name

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this my most important interview yet. I think that's very fair because it's the

1:38:25

best compilation or synthesis or integration of everything we need to

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know about what's happening in the world and how we ultimately push back against

1:38:36

this craziness. Uh again, I'll just mention briefly there's a link down below if you want to follow up uh on the

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