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We examine critically Einstein's ground breaking 1905 paper: "On the Electrodynamics of Moving Bodies" in detail in this series. In this video we try to understand Part I: Kinematical Part, the first section 1. Definition of Simultaneity, and raise some important questions about the meaning, and indeed to logical clarity, of this foundational piece of science.

We will be shortly advocating a different interpretation of Special Relativity, which in my view is more mathematically clear and elegant. It also touches base with earlier thinking of Poincare. But before we get to that, we must first try to understand Einstein's original thinking in this direction.

This is the fifth video of the series "Classical to Quantum" available to Members of the Wild Egg Maths channel and also to Patreon supporters. Here is the Playlist in the Wild Egg Maths channel for this series:

• Classical to Quantum

In this series, which is part of the Explore Research Level Maths program, we investigate how the relations between classical and quantum physics manifest themselves in pure mathematics.

Along the way we will learn about the history of Quantum Mechanics (QM), Einstein's Special Relativity, representation theory of Lie groups and Lie algebras, q-series, quantization, spherical harmonics, quantum groups, non-commutative geometry, C-* algebras, homogenous spaces, and touch base with the Dynamics on Graphs series (ADE graphs etc), the Q-series series, all at Wild Egg Maths, and the series on Diffusion Symmetry at Insights into Mathematics.

We'll also have a look at some of the main contenders for a decent physics theory of QM, including of course the Copenhagen school of Niels Bohr and Werner Heisenberg, Einstein's objections and Bell's famous inequality, and also Everett's Many Worlds theory, and de Broglie and Bohm/s pilot wave theory, along with other lesser known theories. Is QM really essentially incomprehensible? Can pure mathematics shed any light on the problem?

Some work of the author on the relation between quantization and dequantization, touching on geometric quantization, *-products and associated harmonic analysis topics in Lie theory will also figure.

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hello everyone I'm Norman wallpaper

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thanks for joining me on this adventure

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we're looking at classical to quantum

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mechanics

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physics foundations of that subject and

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we're carrying on with Albert Einstein's

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incredibly important paper on the

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electrodynamics of moving bodies today

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what I want to do is I want to critique

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or think a little bit about this first

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section called the kinematical part

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definition of simultaneity which I read

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for you a little while ago and it only

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has two pages okay and I want to examine

0:38

this with a view of you know what does

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it mean what's he trying to say here and

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are we comfortable with the Notions and

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the way they are presented

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so maybe I shouldn't have to reiterate

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the great respect and admiration that I

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share with pretty well everybody for

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Albert Einstein and his uh courageous

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and insightful and just remarkable uh

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achievements in the direction of you

1:07

know both relativity and quantum

1:09

mechanics

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but I also don't want to be afraid of

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pointing out ambiguities or perhaps

1:17

logical difficulties or at least gaps

1:20

you know where they exist I think

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there's something to be gained from that

1:24

if we have a healthy respect but also

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not be unwilling to tackle uh

1:32

difficulties even if they're

1:33

historically kind of entrenched

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so let's have a look at this all right

1:38

shall we

1:39

and uh we'll start from the beginning

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and we're going to read it uh again I'm

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just going to go over the the main

1:43

issues where I think there's some

1:45

questions arising

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let us take a system of coordinates in

1:50

which the equations of Newtonian

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mechanics hold good

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so already here with this very initial

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sentence there's all kinds of questions

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or you know

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issues that are being raised here and

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Newtonian mechanics classically is

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considered to be in a rather fixed

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framework where we have a fixed notion

2:11

of space and time it might be useful in

2:16

this context to think of a

2:17

two-dimensional

2:19

space so maybe given with X and Y

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coordinates and a Time coordinate T So a

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Newtonian framework for that would be

2:27

basically a three-dimensional linear

2:30

space perhaps a euclidean space

2:33

involving also a metrical structure okay

2:36

but in such a space every point is

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uniquely associated with a triple of

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numbers X Y and Z which are the X Y and

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and T coordinates of that of that

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position so that is I guess our first

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guess as to what he's what he's saying

2:53

here that we're going to take such a

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system of coordinates but there is a

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question there is a question of whether

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he's introducing a model for

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our world saying well here's a

3:03

mathematical setup in which we're going

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to investigate some some Notions from

3:07

physics or whether he's saying let's

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take the space of the world that we are

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living in and impose on it

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such a coordinate system and examine the

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space that we're in it in the in the

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light or in in the in the the mental

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context of such a Newtonian coordinate

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system

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so if a material point is at rest

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relatively to this system of coordinates

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its position can be defined relatively

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there too by the employment of rigid

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standards of measurement and the methods

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of euclidean geometry and can be

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expressed in Cartesian coordinates so he

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is assuming a a euclidean structure

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um but in the next paragraph we see that

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this euclidean structure doesn't really

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extend in his mind to time so if we wish

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to describe the motion of material point

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we give the values of its coordinate as

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functions of the time now crucially now

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we must bear carefully in mind that a

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mathematical description of this kind

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has no physical meaning unless we are

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quite clear as to what we understand by

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time

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now strictly speaking Newton might

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object to this that Newton might say

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well we are just assuming a

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three-dimensional structure in which one

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of the coordinates is time so there's no

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there's no question about what time is

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it's just the third coordinate in this

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two-dimensional

4:29

space together with a one-dimensional

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time okay so

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um

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but I think what this makes clear is

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that Einstein is thinking about space as

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having a system of coordinates so we

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have a system of coordinates on space

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but not necessarily

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also for time so whether this is

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actually really a newtonian's system or

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not is is a question

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okay

4:56

okay so but I I think it's quite

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reasonable to say you know we need to

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investigate what we understand by time

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you know even if even if we are working

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in some kind of mathematical framework

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we I mean when we want to apply it to

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the physical world we have to make some

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kind of Correspondence we have to say

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well what in the physical

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actual World actually corresponds to

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this mathematical idealization of a Time

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axis

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so we have to take into account that all

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our judgments in which time plays a part

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are always judgments of simultaneous

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events

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and in a Newtonian system you might say

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that corresponds to the idea that if you

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specify a t coordinate in this

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three-dimensional space time that we're

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considering here then that defines a

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plane okay and then that plane then

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consists of all the points whose time

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coordinate is that given one

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so yes and those are all considered

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simultaneous

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um but Newton would say yeah but we

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don't need to say anything extra about

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that that's not really saying anything

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more than than saying well when we

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specify an x-coordinate we're talking

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about also a plane in a different kind

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of Direction which consists of all the

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the points in the space time whose x

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coordinate is the given one

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okay so then he talks about simultaneous

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events uh for example the time of

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something is really a statement about it

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corresponding to uh you know um position

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on your watch or your clock and we're

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noting a simultaneity between an event

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and and the position of uh the clock

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hands

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so it might appear possible to overcome

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all the difficulties attending the

6:37

definition of time by substituting the

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position of the small hand of my watch

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for time okay

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um and in fact such a definition is

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satisfactory when we are concerned with

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defining a Time exclusively for the

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place where the watch is located where

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this notion of simultaneity is

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well it's maybe sort of self-evident

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especially if we're thinking about

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making observations with light which

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goes so fast that we can't register how

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fast it's taken for the light to come

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from the watch to the eye or from the

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eye to The observed event

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but it is no longer satisfactory when we

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have to connect end time series of

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events occurring at different places or

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what comes to the same thing to evaluate

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the times of events occurring at places

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remote from The Watch

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so I think he really is thinking about

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having coordinates on the space like on

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the two-dimensional space say in the

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example I talked about earlier and then

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thinking about well how do we actually

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establish a notion a consistent notion

7:39

of time from this

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now

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okay in this next paragraph we might of

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course content ourselves with time

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values determined by an observer

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stationed together with the watch at the

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origin of the coordinates

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and coordinating the corresponding

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positions of the hands with light

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signals given out by every event to be

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timed and reaching him through empty

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space

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so

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okay so he started positing an observer

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in quotes perhaps together with this

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watch

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you know and strictly speaking probably

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we should put watch in quotes too right

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because you know what is a watch exactly

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I mean are we assuming that we already

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have a sophisticated physical structure

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like this let me remind you that

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historically clocks have been hugely

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problematic things to construct

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accurately you know the notion of of a

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clock or an accurate clock

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um that actually registers you know not

8:41

events like days and years but actually

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you know minutes and seconds even uh

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that's that's relatively recent it's

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only a couple of centuries old okay the

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technology inside this Seiko watch is

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remarkable and and difficult to

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understand and appreciate okay so we

8:58

should not think about this thing here

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as some kind of you know Elementary

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god-given physical aspect of the world

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this is actually a highly uh structured

9:10

complicated device and I think we should

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be suitably nervous about

9:17

pinning our understanding of fundamental

9:21

physical reality on a prior uh a prior

9:26

you know abundance of of such technical

9:29

devices

9:30

doesn't ring true to me

9:33

okay anyway

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um so what what's he mean here well he's

9:38

saying good we might be able to get away

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with just having a single Observer

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um stationed with a watch at the origin

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and and looking at things with light

9:47

signals

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um given out by every event to be timed

9:51

and reaching him through empty space so

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if something event is happening there

9:54

then there's a light signal that that

9:55

coming from that event and reaches him

9:57

through empty space

9:59

but this coordination has the

10:01

disadvantage that it's not independent

10:02

of the standpoint of the Observer with

10:04

the watch or clock as we know from

10:05

experience

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I'm not entirely sure exactly what he's

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saying here I mean there is the issue of

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if I get a light signal from some remote

10:14

event okay maybe I can register that but

10:17

how do I know where and when that light

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signal started

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all right I mean I don't have to go over

10:24

there and and look at the uh the

10:27

coordinates of that of that point and or

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or get somebody else to register when

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that um that light signal sort of

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emerged

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so we arrive at a much more practical

10:41

determination along the following line

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of thought

10:44

okay so he's now

10:46

maybe getting around some of the

10:48

ambiguity here by trying to pin down

10:50

more clearly what he means by sort of

10:52

time in in this uh semi-newtonian setup

10:58

Okay so

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have a look at this line if at the point

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a of space there is a clock an observer

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at a can determine the time values of

11:07

events in the immediate proximity of a

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by finding the positions of the hands

11:11

which are simultaneous with these events

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okay

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um I do have the flag that you know he's

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talking about a point a of space

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and I suppose by that he means a point a

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in this Newtonian mathematical model of

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space

11:33

if Galileo was around Galilee would say

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yeah but he's can't be talking about

11:37

real space because in real space the

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notion of a point is hugely problematic

11:45

why well because it depends on your your

11:48

your motion right if I go like this and

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I say well consider this point here this

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is point a and this here is point B

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well that only makes sense if you are

11:57

sort of viewing it in you know in a

11:59

frame with me in which we're both kind

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of stationary

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or where we both appear to be stationary

12:06

crucially okay but in fact maybe we in

12:09

fact certainly we are moving

12:11

dramatically through through the world

12:13

because of the rotation of the earth and

12:15

the uh the orbiting of the Earth around

12:17

the Sun which which Galilei would have

12:19

been well aware of okay so Galilee would

12:21

have said yeah but it just looks like

12:23

this is defining a point it's not really

12:24

it would be like me saying hey guys

12:27

consider this point uh a here

12:30

see the end of my finger that's the

12:31

point a

12:33

and let's introduce the second point

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this is the point B

12:36

right you might think well wait a minute

12:38

you're not defining points in space

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because those things are moving

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well that's exactly the same problem

12:44

that we have even in a more

12:46

simple-minded fashion by just thinking

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that you know

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we can define a point in space

12:51

independent of the obvious motion of all

12:54

these these systems in which we are

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parts of

12:58

while we're getting philosophical I also

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have to say a little bit of you know at

13:02

some point we're gonna have to talk

13:03

about this notion of an observer and

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especially with quantum mechanics this

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becomes a crucial uh you know

13:11

crucial topic which which we'll have to

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say much much but even at this point

13:16

here we should probably flag okay that

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there's there's this implicit assumption

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here that

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we can make sense of having an observer

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you know that the Observer is somehow

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independent of these things and and can

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objectively

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make

13:35

measurements and and deductions and and

13:37

apply theories and so on

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that's a huge assumption okay it very

13:43

well might be that an observer say it

13:46

like this one here is actually you know

13:48

a biological creature

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which is it's self-controlled by laws of

13:55

biology and chemistry which ultimately

13:57

depend on laws of physics

13:59

and that you know any notion of

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self-determination and and Free Will

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that this Observer thinks that they have

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is simply a consequence of their uh

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thought processes not being sufficiently

14:12

uh

14:13

foreign scale and clear okay so

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um it might actually be that you know

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this Observer is just a part of the the

14:24

phenomena just as much as you know

14:25

spaceships or or clocks or or balls

14:29

being thrown up in the air

14:30

okay so that's a topic we'll have to

14:34

return to very interesting questions of

14:36

Free Will which I'll also

14:39

hugely important in talking about

14:41

quantum mechanics but let's just flag

14:43

that there's an issue there

14:45

okay so let's give Einstein the benefit

14:48

of the doubt here and and suppose you

14:50

know he's he's thinking perhaps more of

14:52

a mathematical model for a space rather

14:55

than space itself so we have this

14:56

mathematical model in which

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space coordinates are given in the

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Newtonian fashion but time coordinates

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are not okay and then what he's he's

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saying is that if we have two points A

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and B in this space okay that makes

15:13

sense perhaps in that context then an

15:16

observer near a can determine a sort of

15:20

a local time by looking at things close

15:22

to a and having a watch and

15:24

um an observer at B could also do the

15:27

same thing assuming that the clock at a

15:30

and the clock at B are in all respects

15:33

resembling each other

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now there there's another huge

15:37

assumption which

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plays a big role in in special

15:42

relativity the this assumption that we

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can create frames reference frames

15:47

perhaps far apart with essentially

15:49

identical clocks

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so maybe I can get uh you know my Swiss

15:54

or Japanese Factory to churn out lots of

15:56

identical watches

15:58

but if I want to you know send copies of

16:00

these watches to Neptune or to uh Alpha

16:04

Centauri or or to Andromeda you don't

16:06

have to accelerate them I may have to do

16:08

a lot of acceleration and decelerations

16:10

and it may take a lot of time and are

16:13

the clocks at the result of that still

16:16

the same in all respects as the ones

16:18

that we started out with that's a very

16:20

big assumption probably realistically

16:23

unwarranted

16:25

but in fact what he's proposing here is

16:28

in fact even though he's not saying it

16:30

is a way of actually getting around that

16:32

problem so

16:34

then we get this this crucial little

16:36

section here we have so far defined only

16:38

in a time and a b time we have not

16:40

defined a common time for a and b for

16:43

the latter cannot be defined at all

16:44

unless we establish by definition that

16:47

the time required by light to travel

16:49

from A to B time in quotes equals the

16:51

time again in quotes it requires to

16:53

travel from B to a

16:57

now

16:59

he's right to put those times in quotes

17:02

and we should

17:03

flag that that use of time is different

17:06

from the the a time story and the B

17:09

times story separately

17:10

to posit that there's also a notion of

17:13

of time uh from an event over here in a

17:17

to a time over here in B is already and

17:20

some kind of additional assumption

17:22

what does that mean

17:27

okay so he's trying to get at that now

17:29

by by saying well let array of light

17:31

start at the a Time T sub a from a

17:33

towards B and let it at the B time B

17:35

reflected so it's reflecting light

17:38

uh off of B from a and recording when it

17:41

gets back so it starts at time T sub uh

17:45

a t sub a and that gets back at T sub a

17:48

prime okay

17:50

and he's saying then we can use this

17:54

reflection property of light

17:56

to synchronize the two clocks to to

17:59

guarantee that they have sort of a

18:00

common Time by this equation here which

18:04

I've pointed out is is really equivalent

18:06

to saying that the the the B time

18:09

coordinate of the light hitting it and

18:11

being reflected is the average of the

18:15

initial and final times red at a

18:19

so that's a definition of when these two

18:22

clocks at A and B are synchronized

18:25

and I think this is a very important

18:26

idea that that we can use light signals

18:30

to somehow you know

18:32

um

18:33

make sure that we're talking about

18:35

something that's sort of consistent

18:37

see he addresses and he does it in a way

18:41

that's not that comfortable for a

18:43

mathematician okay so he says we assume

18:46

that this definition of synchronism is

18:48

free from contradictions and possible

18:50

for any number of points and that the

18:52

following relations are universally

18:54

valid and then he says a few things in

18:57

terms of sort of a symmetry of this

18:59

notion of synchronization and a kind of

19:00

a transitivity

19:03

at this point as a mathematician I would

19:06

prefer to say well look you're working

19:07

in a mathematical model okay so you're

19:11

actually free to make these definitions

19:14

in the mathematical model and then you

19:17

could actually

19:18

aspire to

19:22

verifying that these things are true in

19:25

other words you you make the

19:26

corresponding definitions in this

19:27

mathematical model and then you you

19:29

check you compute you you create

19:32

theorems that say that this notion of of

19:35

synchronization it's like a relation is

19:37

actually satisfying this reflexive and

19:39

transitive property

19:41

that's the kind of thing that a

19:42

mathematician would want to do

19:46

okay but he's not a mathematician fine

19:48

but anyway so that's just something to

19:50

think about and then in the last part of

19:51

it that's with the help of certain

19:53

imaginary physical experiments we have

19:55

settled what it is to be understood by

19:56

synchronous stationary clocks located at

19:58

different places okay and have evidently

20:00

obtained a definition of simultaneous or

20:03

synchronous and of time

20:06

which Newton would maybe say well yeah

20:08

okay so that's just another way of

20:10

establishing what I would just have

20:12

assumed automatically that we have this

20:15

linear system ultimately which is

20:17

three-dimensional which includes time as

20:19

as a coordinate but you're you're able

20:22

to to get at at the time coordinates

20:25

sort of from uh one local position by

20:30

by using the the path of light so then

20:33

he says further in agreement with

20:35

experience we further assume the

20:37

quantity 2 a b over T prime a minus t a

20:41

equals c to be a universal constant the

20:44

velocity of light in empty space

20:48

okay this is very big

20:51

um big sense here so this is essentially

20:53

the the second postulate of special

20:56

relativity that

20:57

um

20:58

that this velocity of light in in empty

21:01

space is um is a well-defined um concept

21:08

now

21:09

you see

21:11

I'm nervous here because what he's doing

21:14

he's introducing light okay which is

21:16

very much a physical thing that we don't

21:18

have a good mathematical theory for

21:20

maybe somewhat better nowadays than his

21:23

time but you know light was a

21:25

complicated thing he had this

21:26

electromagnetic aspect they thought it

21:27

was waves uh they thought it required an

21:30

ether like waves typically do some kind

21:32

of underlying medium in which to

21:34

propagate

21:35

um

21:36

okay but

21:38

how do we how do we build that into this

21:40

mathematical model that we're we started

21:42

out with right we

21:43

it wasn't saying well let's let's

21:45

consider the physical world he was

21:47

saying let's consider a mathematical

21:48

model of the physical world so now if he

21:51

really wants to introduce light into

21:52

this

21:54

into this mathematical model he would be

21:56

better perhaps to say well let's assume

21:58

that you know certain lines in in this

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in this affine space or euclidean space

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that we've posited uh you have certain

22:05

properties and certain past certain

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parallelism or certain slope condition

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that's Universal okay so that it's more

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of a something that's built into the

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mathematical side but what he's doing

22:16

here is he's now going back to the real

22:18

world saying that you know actually in

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the real world according to Michaelson

22:22

and morally and and uh you know

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um electromagnetism uh Theory at that

22:27

time that the velocity of light appears

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to be the same in empty space so he's

22:31

making some concept about the world

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but

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how's that okay as soon as he leaves the

22:37

Newtonian framework then Galileo

22:41

steps up and says wait a minute okay

22:43

wait a minute

22:45

if you're working in the in the real

22:46

world okay not some some idealized

22:49

mathematical model then in the real

22:51

world the notion of velocity I'm sorry

22:52

is not a well-defined one at least not

22:55

unless you spend a lot of time thinking

22:57

about it there's because of a velocity

22:59

of of anything it doesn't make sense

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right in a Galilean system if I ask a

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question

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what is the velocity of this eraser that

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is a nonsensical question because it

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obviously depends on

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The Observer

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and if we want to compare the velocities

23:16

obtained by different observers say of

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this eraser then that means we have to

23:21

have a prior way of synchronizing the

23:24

the unit systems in those two observers

23:26

you know I mean this Klingon warship

23:28

might not be using meters and seconds

23:30

and using something entirely different

23:33

okay so to say that we're getting the

23:35

same velocity of light

23:37

requires a prior consistency of units

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across

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um the board and then we're exactly in

23:44

that same kind of position that he was

23:45

worrying about before about how to

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establish the the similarity or the

23:51

synchronization of of clocks not to

23:53

speak of the synchronization of lengths

23:55

which are implicit here in this a b

23:57

which is supposed to be a a distance

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they're actually probably a better

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displacement

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um from A to B

24:05

so you know there's lots of brilliant

24:09

stuff here he's he's thinking about

24:11

things in in a novel way

24:14

um he's uh moving away from an entirely

24:19

a Newtonian point of view even though

24:21

he's sort of adopting it but where he's

24:23

actually sitting and uh what the real

24:26

meanings of a lot of these words that

24:29

he's using is is not at all really very

24:31

clear and finally it is essential to

24:34

have time defined by means of stationary

24:35

clocks in the stationary system and the

24:37

time now defined being appropriate to

24:39

the stationary system we call it the

24:40

time of the stationary system okay so um

24:43

there's a distinguished system in which

24:45

things are fixed which is the time of

24:48

the stationary system

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um

24:51

but overall I honestly if if I was an

24:55

editor of

24:57

you know a mathematics Journal say in

24:59

1905 and somebody had submitted this to

25:02

me um completely honest okay I don't

25:05

know if I would accept it

25:07

um I would say you know there's some

25:09

interesting ideas here but you have to

25:10

expand considerably on on what you're

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saying and you have to clarify much much

25:16

more clearly the meaning of the terms

25:18

that you're using and whether you're

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actually talking about the physics of

25:21

space or some mathematical model of it

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and if you are talking about a

25:25

mathematical model of it then you need

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to spell out more clearly what exactly

25:30

that is and what the underlying geometry

25:32

that you're assuming is

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okay

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but it's still brilliant stuff for sure

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right but um

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there's questions here and these are

25:45

important questions to think about

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