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</div><div><header class="entry-header" style="box-sizing: border-box; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto; max-width: 760px; width: 760px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><h1 class="entry-title" style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0.333333em 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; clear: both; letter-spacing: -1px; hyphens: manual; line-height: 1.2; overflow-wrap: break-word;">The Paris Climate Challenge</h1></header><div class="entry-content" style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px auto; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; max-width: 760px; width: 760px;"><div style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div style="font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">In association with the Independent Committee on Geoethics www.<a href="http://geoethic.com/" style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; text-decoration-line: none; transition: color 0.2s ease 0s;"> www.geoethic.com</a> and the Collectif des Climato Réalistes www.<a href="http://skyfall.fr/" style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; text-decoration-line: none; transition: color 0.2s ease 0s;">www.skyfall.fr</a></div><div style="font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">
</div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Summary Statement</div><div style="font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"> Over thirty years of intense (and extremely expensive) research has totally failed to produce any evidence that human emissions of CO2 are driving climate. CO2 is not a danger to but a benefit for all life on our planet.</div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div style="font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">We call on governments, NGOs and universities to stop pursuing policy and dogma based ‘evidence’ gathering.</div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">• That they stop scaremongering.</div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">• That they dissolve the IPCC and the UNFCCC.</div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">• That governments focus instead on encouraging means of ensuring that under-developed and developing nations have full access to the cheapest reliable energy (particularly electricity), regardless of whether fossil fuels are used, so as to improve their access to clean water, low pollution cooking facilities and good medical services.</div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div style="font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">• That once respected academic institutions and scientific publications put their own houses in order and once again allow the free exchange of scientific ideas and results without prejudice.</div><div style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">• That those involved in alleged cases of scientific fraud, which have resulted in huge financial costs, causing greater poverty and many deaths among the poorest, be brought before the relevant Court of Law.</div><div style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"> 10th Dec 2015 Further, more detailed statements, references and videos of presentations at the Conference are available on the website: <a href="http://pcc15.org/" style="font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; text-decoration-line: none; transition: color 0.2s ease 0s;">www.pcc15.org</a></div><hr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236); font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; height: 3px; margin: 0px auto 2em; width: 608px;" /><p style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 2em; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; word-break: normal;">Watch interviews with some of the PCC 15 organisers, speakers and attendees on <a href="http://windowsontheworld.net/video_type/paris-challenge-to-un-climate-con/" style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; text-decoration-line: none; transition: color 0.2s ease 0s;">this edition</a> of ‘Windows on the Wor'<p style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 2em; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; word-break: normal;">[vid <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFE0gBnAci4&feature=emb_logo">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFE0gBnAci4&feature=emb_logo</a>]<p style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 2em; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; word-break: normal;">fraNcisco maranzana and nils axel-whatever, window on the world tv? www show<p style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 2em; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; word-break: normal;">see presentation videos linked on the the <a href="https://pcc15.org/about/" style="font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; font-family: " times="Times" new="New" roman="Roman" font-size="font-size" large="large" box-sizing="box-sizing" border-box="border-box" border="border" px="px" margin="margin" outline="outline" padding="padding" vertical-align="vertical-align" baseline="baseline" text-decoration-line="text-decoration-line" none="none" transition="transition" color="color" s="s" ease="ease">schedule for the talks and events</a> at the 2015 Paris Climate Challenge.<p style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 2em; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; word-break: normal;">Please also see the organisers’<a href="http://www.thepostemail.com/2015/11/28/media-advisory-paris-climate-challenge-conference-december-1-3/" style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; text-decoration-line: none; transition: color 0.2s ease 0s;"> latest update </a>at the Post and Email website.In 2009 we laid down the Copenhagen Climate Challenge, when we asked UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-Moon to answer <a href="https://pcc15.org/the-ten-questions/" style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; text-decoration-line: none; transition: color 0.2s ease 0s;">10 questions about climate</a>. We’re back to ask the same and more questions, and challenge the climate ‘consensus’ in Paris at COP 21 with alternative climate hypotheses. If you have something to say in Paris, we still have places for a few more <a href="https://pcc15.org/about/" style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; text-decoration-line: none; transition: color 0.2s ease 0s;">speakers</a>. Take some time to navigate our pages, you can leave a comment if you’d like to say something in response to the articles backing up our 10 questions to Ban Ki-Moon below.<hr style="background-color: rgb(236, 236, 236); font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; height: 3px; margin: 0px auto 2em; width: 608px;" />His Excellency Ban-Ki Moon, Secretary-General, United Nations, New York, NY. United States of America 8 December 2009.<p style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 2em; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; word-break: normal;">Dear Secretary-General,Climate change science is in a period of ‘negative discovery’ – the more we learn about this exceptionally complex and rapidly evolving field the more we realize how little we know. Truly, the science is NOT settled.<p style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 2em; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; word-break: normal;">Therefore, there is no sound reason to impose expensive and restrictive public policy decisions on the peoples of the Earth without first providing convincing evidence that human activities are causing dangerous climate change beyond that resulting from natural causes. Before any precipitate action is taken, we must have solid observational data demonstrating that recent changes in climate differ substantially from changes observed in the past and are well in excess of normal variations caused by solar cycles, ocean currents, changes in the Earth’s orbital parameters and other natural phenomena.We the undersigned, being qualified in climate-related scientific disciplines, challenge the UNFCCC and supporters of the United Nations Climate Change Conference to produce convincing OBSERVATIONAL EVIDENCE for their claims of dangerous human-caused global warming and other changes in climate. Projections of possible future scenarios from unproven computer models of climate are not acceptable substitutes for real world data obtained through unbiased and rigorous scientific investigation.<p style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 2em; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; word-break: normal;">Specifically, we challenge supporters of the hypothesis of dangerous human-caused climate change to demonstrate that:[NB ST'D BS MYTHS]<ol style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 1.5em 3em; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; list-style-position: initial; list-style-image: initial;"><li style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Variations in global climate in the last hundred years are significantly outside the natural range experienced in previous centuries; </li><li style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Humanity’s emissions of carbon dioxide and other ‘greenhouse gases’ (GHG) are having a dangerous impact on global climate;</li><li style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Computer-based models can meaningfully replicate the impact of all of the natural factors that may significantly influence climate;</li><li style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Sea levels are rising dangerously at a rate that has accelerated with increasing human GHG emissions, thereby threatening small islands and coastal communities;</li><li style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">The incidence of malaria is increasing due to recent climate changes;</li><li style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Human society and natural ecosystems cannot adapt to foreseeable climate change as they have done in the past;</li><li style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Worldwide glacier retreat, and sea ice melting in Polar Regions , is unusual and related to increases in human GHG emissions;</li><li style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Polar bears and other Arctic and Antarctic wildlife are unable to adapt to anticipated local climate change effects, independent of the causes of those changes;[huh?]</li><li style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Hurricanes, other tropical cyclones and associated extreme weather events are increasing in severity and frequency;</li><li style="font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;">Data recorded by ground-based stations are a reliable indicator of surface temperature trends.</li></ol><p style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 2em; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; word-break: normal;">It is not the responsibility of ‘climate realist’ scientists to prove that dangerous human-caused climate change is not happening. Rather, it is those who propose that it is, and promote the allocation of massive investments to solve the supposed ‘problem’, who have the obligation to convincingly demonstrate that recent climate change is not of mostly natural origin and, if we do nothing, catastrophic change will ensue. To date, this they have utterly failed to do.<p style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px 0px 2em; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; word-break: normal;">Signed by:<h3 style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 1.14286em 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; clear: both;"><a href="https://pcc15.org/expert-signatories/" style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; text-decoration-line: none; transition: color 0.2s ease 0s;">Science and Technology Experts Well Qualified in Climate Science </a></h3><h3 style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-weight: 400; box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; margin: 1.14286em 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; clear: both;"><a href="https://pcc15.org/associated-signatories/" style="box-sizing: border-box; border: 0px; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; vertical-align: baseline; text-decoration-line: none; transition: color 0.2s ease 0s;">Science and Technology Experts in Other Related Disciplines</a></h3></div><div style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
</div><div style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">=</div><div style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"><a href="https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/climate-skeptics-agree-their-key-messages-for-journalists-with-journalist-in-room/">https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/climate-skeptics-agree-their-key-messages-for-journalists-with-journalist-in-room/</a></div><div style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
</div><div style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">[The climate deniers: Tom Harris standing at the front, Christopher Monkton in the front row on the right pix]</div><div style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">
</div>This afternoon, I went along to a fringe event in central Paris put on by the UK climate denier brigade. There were about 15 people – all older white men but for one woman, me, and Brendan Montague, editor of <a href="http://www.desmog.uk/" style="box-sizing: inherit; letter-spacing: 0px; font-weight: inherit; text-underline-position: under;">DesmogUK</a>, with whom I'd arrived. Among the small number at <a href="http://pcc15.org/" style="font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: inherit; letter-spacing: 0px; text-underline-position: under;">PCC15</a>, as they called their event, were a number of prominent figures from the movement against the scientific consensus on climate change. Patrick Moore, the controversial former director of Greenpeace who has questioned both whether global warming is man-made, and whether it is dangerous, was leaving as we arrived. UKIP MEP Stuart Agnew was there, as were Christopher Monckton, a prominent climate change denier, and Canadian Tom Harris, <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Harris_(mechanical_engineer)" style="font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: inherit; letter-spacing: 0px; text-underline-position: under;">executive director</a> of the “International Climate Science Coalition” – and former operations director of the “<a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Park_Group" style="font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: inherit; letter-spacing: 0px; text-underline-position: under;">High Park Group</a>”, a Canadian lobbying company. I was told we'd missed the journalist James Delingpole and Piers Corbyn (MD of WeatherAction and brother of Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn)..Brendan was there to button-hole Christopher Monckton – I'll link to his interview as soon as its up. Meanwhile I had a nice cup of tea with a couple of folks at the back of the room, before settling down to the final session of the conference, at which they discussed their key messages to present to the media. I'm not quite sure why they did this with two journalists in the room. In any case, I took copious notes, which are copied below.The session was chaired by Tom Harris, and Christopher Monckton sat at the front of the audience and said more than anyone else. Each headline message they discussed is in bold, and the things people said about them are written below. The exact wording is sometimes mine rather than than theirs, but the messages are the same. My notes on their comments are in italics.<h2 style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">1) Focus on adaptation</h2><h2 style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;" /><h2 style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">2) The carbon cycle</h2>- “Carbon moves much faster than the UN tell us”- Carbon dioxide moves through the atmosphere in 4-5 years. (not 100 years)- CO2 is absorbed much faster (by plants) than the UN say.- Mean absorption time is seven years.- “Residence time”.[There seemed to be some discussion between Monckton and another man on the precise time periods relating to the carbon cycle, hence the different figures.<h2 style="font-weight: inherit; box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">3) CO2 is beneficial to the biosphere</h2>- “The life-giving gas on the planet”.- “Greening the deserts”.<h2 style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">4) Lack of significant problems of ocean acidification</h2>- The reducing pH in the oceans is not a threat- “We don't want to admit that it (oceanic pH) is reducing because it's not reduced by much” - Monckton- “Wide variations (in pH) are easily tolerated by marine life” (this was based on one apparent study from the basins of a couple of rivers in Brazil)- “Ocean acidification is a misnomer”- “The ocean has never been acidic in the geologic record”- “The ocean can only become acidic if the world runs out of rocks”.<h2 style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">5) Solar factors</h2>- Solar factors are the major drivers of climate change and grossly overwhelm the human contribution.<h2 style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">6) We want to see an increasing use of fossil fuel, especially the least expensive, coal</h2>- If you don't have electricity, your life span will be 10-15 years shorter.- Tens of millions are being killed every year because of the war on coal (Monckton).- “War on coal” is resulting in tens of millions of deaths.- “Depriving the poor of inexpensive fuel".- Vast loss of life.<h2 style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">7) The relative insignificance of the human contribution to atmospheric composition</h2>- To the nearest 10th of 1% there is no CO2 in the air at all. (Monckton)- The lack of warming for the past 18+ years supports the hypothesis<h2 style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">8) The solutions to the supposed climate crisis are far more damaging than the possible problem</h2>- Attempts at mitigation of climate change, even if it were a problem on the scale they say it is, would cost 10-100 times what they say it is.<h2 style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">9) Global warming is a natural consequence of deglaciation</h2>- There's no consensus that most of the warming pre-1950 was anthropogenic, and therefore no consensus future warming is dangerous.<h2 style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">10) In a warming world, extreme storms reduce</h2>- For the last 150 years, there has been no increase in hurricane/cyclone activity- There's been an increase in sea ice.- There's been an increase in East Antartica land ice- There's been a decrease in tornadoes in the USA- There is information coming out from insurance companies saying that storms cost more. The same level of storminess is causing more damage because there's more people and more infrastructure. Over the last 100 year, there's been a 13x increase in infrastructure on the world's coasts. <h2 style="background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">11) Wind turbines</h2>- In most operating conditions, wind turbines cause more CO2 than coal (Monckton)- Wind turbines cause far more problems for wildlife and humans (than fossil fuels).<h2 style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">12) Policy makers & mainstream media have been deceived into thinking there is only one side</h2>- They need to open the door to people who have been excluded (ie climate sceptics).- The only way this will be brought to a resolution is through an independent judicial inquiry. (Someone proposed that they specifically say this should happen in the Hague, and Monckton said that “the other side would be extremely reluctant” to be cross-examined).<h2 style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">13) Sea level</h2>- The data show a mean sea level rise over the past few decades that is indistinguishable from zero (0-1mm per year). Any increase over that which has been reported is a result of tampering with the data, because of, for example, isostatic adjustment (land rising back up slowly after the last ice-age).<h2 style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">14) “We're not climate change deniers”</h2>- “We accept that there is such a thing as the greenhouse effect” - Monckton- “Yes, if you add CO2 to the atmosphere, it would cause some warming – there are some on the fringes who would deny that, but it's tactically efficacious for us to accept that.” - MoncktonMonckton suggested that they should accept that the greenhouse effect is real. There was a fair amount of disagreement in the room. The chair said “I'm trying to appeal to left wing journalists”. For a moment they lost control as a number of people shouted out their various objections. The conclusion?: “The Greenhouse Effect – the debate continues”.<h2 style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">15) People today are experiencing problems due to natural climate change</h2>They cannot get the help they need due to all this focus on the distant future.<h2 style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">16) Working people's jobs are being destroyed</h2>- There is in fact no realistic danger for generations yet unborn, but since real harm is being done to today's generations, it's time someone spoke up for those poor people and those poor countries being denied electricity and adaptation support.- There is no need for any national or international action to make global warming go away. The whole match is superfluous. It has its own damaging environmental footprint. (The conversation then moved back to the evils of wind farms).<h2 style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">17) There is no policy that is better than doing nothing</h2><h2 style="font-weight: inherit; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); box-sizing: inherit; text-underline-position: auto; margin: 3rem 0px 1rem; break-after: avoid;">18) We don't need any middle man if we wish to help people in foreign countries</h2>- If individual nations wish to give money to less developed countries to help them get energy structures, or to cope with natural climate disasters, we do not need the UN.  There was quite a lot of general UN hatred in the room. One man – a lawyer - was there because he'd been invited to speak about his court cases against the UN.- We don't need a UN. (There was some disagreement about this)- Countries should withdraw from the UNFCCC immediately. (They all agreed on this).- If for any 20 years, temperatures do not increase by more than 0.5 degrees the whole apparatus will be wrapped up.Also, at one point, Phillip Foster, an English minister who seemed to be the event organiser, suggested they say they aren't funded by the coal industry. Tom Harris responded: “I don't think the funding issue is something we should say anything about... I don't think that funding is something we should get into... 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