Open in TheBrain

Anil K Seth

<p>Dec 17, 2013 09:20 PM</p>

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video...one hour... &nbsp;pub Mar 1 2012 &nbsp;at</p>

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this is at Natl Instit of Advanced Studies... (? in Bangalore)</p>

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"we do not have to appeal to new phenom to understand consc &nbsp;(eg quantum phenomena)"

just enurobiology is prob enough....</p>

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OOBE... &nbsp;why do they have that experience...</p>

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giv e neuroscience a chance....</p>

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why measure consc...

brain based measures...</p>

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causal density...

and Integrative Information...</p>

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ways of measuring it...</p>

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hx of science.... &nbsp;&nbsp;need to be able to measure it...

a book "inventing temperature &nbsp;Chang 2004 book...</p>

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what would the equivalent be....</p>

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consc meter &nbsp;by David Chalmers....</p>

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Consc is the appearance of the world...</p>

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there is no world, no self, there is nothing... &nbsp;from Thomas &nbsp;Metzinger...</p>

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that annoying time between naps...</p>

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distinc btwn &nbsp;consc &nbsp;contents and consc level...</p>

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genl anesthesia: &nbsp;level...</p>

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primary &nbsp;and higher order consc... phenomenal, access,</p>

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man looking at tomato... but man can also say &nbsp;&nbsp;reflectively...

I am aware that I am seeing the tomato.</p>

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coma, anesthesia, deep sleep, light sleep, drowsy, awake &nbsp;(perhaps hyperaroused)....</p>

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behavioral measures....</p>

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objective measures... forced choice.. &nbsp;A or B</p>

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subjective measures... ask S ... did they see it and what is their confidence....</p>

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introspective measures.... &nbsp;&nbsp;it is essential</p>

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forced choice decision &nbsp;(can be done with blindsight.. w/o apparent consc)</p>

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subjective... some subjects may have difficult</p>

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primary vs higher order... &nbsp;if it is not higher order... S may have diffic retporting it...</p>

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Hans Berger... late 1920s... &nbsp;EEG &nbsp;high freq, low amplitude...</p>

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how consc are you... BIS &nbsp;bispectral index...</p>

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ERPs &nbsp;evoked potentials

synchrony... eg &nbsp;gamma band &nbsp;or beta band

widespread activation &nbsp;(frontal and parietal activation)</p>

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dynamical complexity...</p>

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can we say something abt the phenomenology of consc...

related to NCC... &nbsp;that have a privileged reln with consc...</p>

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how abt &nbsp;perfect correl with experiencing a dog....</p>

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but how does one get from a correl to consc... &nbsp;where is the explanatory link....

how to get explanatory purchase....</p>

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Dynamical complexity....</p>

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we experienc world from 1st person perspective...

egocentric &nbsp;and allocentric frameworks...</p>

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Access phenomenology... &nbsp;&nbsp;

he spent quite a few years in San Diego in Edelman lab (Giulio T had left)</p>

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every consc scene is differ and integrated... highly unique...</p>

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but a &nbsp;unified thing</p>

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eg now the heat of the room, sound of my voice, and image of Korean landscape art.</p>

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the terrain of complexity....</p>

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find ways that can conjoin integration and differentiation... if too integrated, then cannot have differentiation.</p>

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digital camera...... &nbsp;&nbsp;lots of indiv photo diodes....</p>

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idea is that</p>

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Leibniz... greatest diversityin combination the greatest order and harmony....</p>

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causal density... &nbsp;working on it for a # of years....</p>

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X1 causes X2... Clyde Granger....

Nobel for economics &nbsp;10 yrs ago...

cause has to precede the effect...

does X1 &nbsp;have predictive info &nbsp;for X2 &nbsp;that is not already in X2.

use weighed combos....

use this &nbsp;to describe functional networks...</p>

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Causal density....

pick out middle ground &nbsp;(btwn &nbsp;too integrated and too independent...want max. dynamic complexity)</p>

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Tononi Integr Info theory &nbsp;IIT...</p>

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he did this with Granger causality as applie dto propofol &nbsp;anesthesia</p>

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8 subjects &nbsp;look at &nbsp;ACC and PCC

look at G-casualiayt &nbsp;....

method is applic to stationary stochastic data...</p>

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bidirect. &nbsp;Granger causailty &nbsp;INCREASES &nbsp;when &nbsp;one loses consc.

... this is counterintuitive.... &nbsp;but this conveys slow waves..</p>

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Mammals, birds and cephalopods... &nbsp;octopus &nbsp;(with David Edelman)

but with people &nbsp;accurate verbal report...

how to around it with animals....</p>

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with mammals &nbsp;can see Thalamocort circuitry, also see other conserved mechs

eg low amplitude gamma etc. &nbsp;look for homologs in other animals...</p>

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but harder with birds, and octopi... brains are really difft

octopus... brain v large and complex but quite difft...

so, &nbsp;how to draw analogies...

but if causal density or &nbsp;IIT is useful perhaps can xfer to octopi...</p>

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trying to do octopus psychophysics &nbsp;with David Edelman...</p>

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are there equivs of binoc rivalry...</p>

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summarize: &nbsp;consc &nbsp;content and level...</p>

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modeling natural action selection...</p>

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ASSC &nbsp;will be held in Brighton in 2013...

in Europe once every 3 years... &nbsp;&nbsp;other yearsin Arizona...</p>

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compare to phased synchrony;</p>

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disparaging comment from aud. abt &nbsp;mutual information... &nbsp;he agrees and goes into detail...</p>

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French phenomenologist:</p>

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integraiton of interoceptive and exteroceptive perception &nbsp;(influed by Thomas Metzinger))

(view of how &nbsp;first person perspective arises)</p>

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