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Battista, Christian

<p>Jan 25, 2014 02:04 PM cbattist@stanford.edu</p>

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below is his FriSem of Jan 24 2014. in Vinods Lab (post-doc); age 32; formerly at U West. Ontario.</p>

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<b>Battista, Christian,&nbsp; Neural Mechanisms of Arithmeti</b>c, Stanford, Jan 24, 2014

This is work that Christian did while he was at <b>Univ of Western Ontario</b>.

He is now a <b>post-doc in Vinod Menon's Lab</b> at Stanford (on Arastradero).</p>

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why study arithmetic?..&nbsp; It is phylogenetically recent and unique to humans.</p>

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What we know...</p>

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parietal cortex is important..</p>

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see eg Gerstman 1945...</p>

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Dehaene&nbsp; 2003&nbsp; <b>angular gyrus&nbsp; involved in fact retrieval</b>...</p>

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but <b>intraparietal sulcus IPS is involved in procedural calculations</b>.</p>

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(but this is NOT a strict dichotomy,)</p>

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factors modulating brain activity during mental arithmetic:</p>

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Delazer 03...</p>

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compare trained vs untrained arithmetic problems...</p>

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untrained... <b>doing untrained problems exhibits more&nbsp; frontal and parietal activation</b>...</p>

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but in problems that have been trained, you get more activation just of <b>angular gyrus</b>...</p>

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and same for strategy...</p>

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see Grabner 2009...</p>

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one question: did u just retrieve from memory or were there actually procedures involved?</p>

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so, with <b>retrieval get angular gyrus activity</b>&nbsp; but

with <b>procedural retrieval&nbsp; get&nbsp; IPS and frontal activation</b>..</p>

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how abt individual diffs...

Rivera 05;</p>

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eg press button if correct&nbsp; is&nbsp; 6 + 2 = 8 correct;&nbsp; how abt 3 +2 = 6 ... not correct</p>

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get positive correlation with age&nbsp; (ie, more fact retrieval as you get older)</p>

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Outstanding Qs...

does arithmetic training effect reflect a shift in strategy...</p>

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do recently learned arithmetic facts differ from remotely learned arithmetic facts?</p>

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and do strategy and training interact?</p>

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But... indiv variability in strategy use could confound results&nbsp; (as in Campbell)</p>

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Christian developed&nbsp; <b>CAT = customized arithmetic training</b></p>

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start out with individually tailored training sets</p>

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strategy use is balanced at start of training</p>

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CAT fMRI...</p>

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20 adults&nbsp; ages 23 to 30</p>

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calibration stage:&nbsp; training set&nbsp; (do 12 reps per day over 6 days (S does this at home.)

4+3 =?&nbsp; is the answer 7 or 8..

indicate with a left button press for 7...

now describe your strategy... (did you memorize the answer or or&nbsp; did you use mental arithmetic)

this was self report..</p>

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want to compare to 10 year old kids... so this was just simple integer arith...</p>

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stage 1:&nbsp; present probs to S, and incr size of operands to 45 to 50 then decrease them.</p>

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stage 2:&nbsp; use info from stage 1 to generate potential calculated and memorized probs

(eg peope have trouble with 6s and 7s...

he shows <b>RTs = reaction times</b>&nbsp; vs&nbsp; solution size&nbsp; (the sum of operands)</p>

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<b>the memorized ones are FAST</b>&nbsp; and take only 2.5 to 2.8 seconds&nbsp; (eg&nbsp; for sum below 20 to 30)

vs the <b>procedural ones&nbsp; (sum of between 40 to 80)</b> and RTs of&nbsp; 2.7 to 3.4 seconds...</p>

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he shows one particular subject:</p>

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big number operand on Y axis and small number on X axis

and <b>he shows RT by bubble size</b>...</p>

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small numbers&nbsp; are fast and big numbers are slow&nbsp;

(but he looked at numbers with tens in them and cut them out)</p>

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he shows a slow guy&nbsp; versus a fast guy...

(fast guy would go really fast with all the numbers up to 30...</p>

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huge diff in profile...</p>

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(but jay cites this example:&nbsp; 23 + 64&nbsp; (add in parallel&nbsp; 20 + 60 and 3 + 4)</p>

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noah: how abt test/ retest reliabilities for RTs..</p>

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he says...yeah... might just also be getting better at calcs&nbsp; (faster)</p>

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subjects work on this 12 repetitions per day for 6 days...</p>

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at home do web based training...</p>

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herb:&nbsp; were they supplied with the correct answers... No.. only an X if wrong..</p>

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first calibration; ten training sets and then the fMRI&nbsp; test...</p>

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strategy types...</p>

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calculated - untrained problems solved by calc&nbsp; (28 trials)</p>

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and had (remote) memory... untrained probs solved by memory</p>

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and recent memory.. calc probs memorized thru training

trained calcualted...

etc</p>

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fMRI&nbsp; untrained, calculated probs are the slowest...</p>

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Outstanding Qs..</p>

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will the CAT produce viable results?</p>

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yes...&nbsp; <b>memorized problem do activate angular gyrus</b>...</p>

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and <b>calculated&nbsp; lights up&nbsp; frontal and parietal areas</b> ...</p>

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next Q... does the training effect reflect a shift in strategy?</p>

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comment:&nbsp; perhaps this is just testing working memory WM

(follow&nbsp; on to my Q abt cog burden and arithmetic carries)</p>

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comment:&nbsp; why is primary visual lighting up? (cuz we present info visually)</p>

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did we replicate the grabner study... yes we did...</p>

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recently memorized&nbsp; lights up angular gyrus&nbsp; vs&nbsp; calculated (involves&nbsp; IPS and frontal areas)</p>

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next Q..&nbsp; do recently learned arith facts facts differ from remote arith facts...</p>

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ie recent memory (just learned) vs remote memory...</p>

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there is more frontal activation with recent memory</p>

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recently memorized still looks more like&nbsp; calc probl with&nbsp; IPS activation and frontal activ...</p>

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discussion (jay and herb)&nbsp; when they self reprot "memorized"&nbsp; was it actually memorized or calculated.

a lot of prior lit on this...&nbsp;&nbsp; his A:&nbsp; "describe your steps"

Jay elaborates:&nbsp; this might be an internal RACE between memory and calculation with

both going on in parallel.&nbsp; If memory wins, the subject says "I just knew it"</p>

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he shows HC = hippocampal ROI&nbsp; (some problems at a midpoint btwn mem and calc)</p>

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do strategy and training interact?

(eg is calculation affected by training)</p>

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ROI angular gyrus...&nbsp; involved in symbol reference.&nbsp;</p>

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its not all about a shift in strategy...</p>

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<b>surprise finding: putamen activation</b>:

assoc with procedural memory... trained calculation&nbsp; (still called calc but doing much faster)</p>

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yes... strat and training do interact in angular gyrus and in putamen...</p>

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(angular gyrus can be modulated by training... hence... faster memory&nbsp;

even tho it still involves angular gyrus)</p>

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future studies...

use CAT to control diffs in strategy use..</p>

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do DTI data and learning rates

Run CAT on younger subjects...

explore encoding success...</p>

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Advisor for this work: <b>Dan Ansari..(Western Ontario)</b>&nbsp; this was Christian's PhD work;

(Western Ontario may be #1 center for cog neuropsych in Canada:

&nbsp;Adrian Owen and Mel Goodale there.&nbsp; (McGill: more oriented toward medical apps).)</p>

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noah... u asked them how they did it?&nbsp; yes...&nbsp; how did u do the prob.

calculation is a v broad category... eg&nbsp; overall workload, etc.

we do not have the power to look at that&nbsp; (cannot do that&nbsp; (break it down by specific strategy)</p>

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Q&nbsp; how abt eye movements while doing this?&nbsp; no... not done..</p>

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